Wait what's this thread for if we have a bunch of music threads already? VocaDB discussion?

>>18226
>VocaDB discussion?
Yes, among other things.

I should probably explain myself. I've been listening to songs posted in the threads linked in the OP because I wanted to find music that I really like and that I haven't heard before; I use VocaDB and RYM for the same purpose. I made this thread because I realized that there wasn't really anywhere for me to talk about this outside of the Vocaloid General.

Right now I'm relistening to the top scoring songs on VocaDB, trying to get a feel for what kinds of music that I enjoy, and figuring out where I should look for new music next.

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I'm crashing out dude. Does nobody know how to read anymore?
>>18245
GO HERE >>23

Assuming this is the right thread to discuss this, does anybody know why the site MikuDB hasn't been touched in about two years now? It was the go-to database for Vocaloid albums for years

>>18250
They actually stopped updating it in 2024. the magical mirai album is there but that's the only 2024 release available.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SHjoMgmzfVA

>>18225
I forgot about the music threads on /j/
Utaite >>>/j/165
VocaDuo >>>/j/192
Denpa >>>/j/143
Japanese Music >>>/j/247
It's not much, but there is some good stuff there.

Is Vocaloid Rankings not loading for anyone else?
https://vocaloid-rankings.fly.dev/
https://github.com/duosii/vocaloid-rankings

>>18342
>site is down
>latest commit was 2 years ago
>their only contact information is dicksword
fugg

>>18342
Its fucking dead yeah

>>18342
Do you know how long it has been down for? I remember checking it around the same time Baumkuchen End Credits had come out, which was around December if i'm not mistaken

>>18342
Yeah it's not loading for me either

>>18342
Use https://lvchart.com/ or https://vocaloard.injpok.tokyo/en/

>>18350
I'm pretty sure it was working the day before yesterday, or a day before that, so Monday or Tuesday.

>>18375
LocalVoid only tracks what's trending (unless I'm missing something) so that goes here >>108
Vocaloard does have an all time view count though
https://vocaloard.injpok.tokyo/en/?k=1&p=0
It goes up to 300 songs.

I had just discovered Vocaloid Rankings, so I barely got to use it, but the GitHub says it pulled info from VocaDB, so it must have had more functionality than this.

>>18442
I think you could also see voicebank popularity rankings but i might be mistaking it for another site

>>18342
It's working again.

>>18644

I wonder if went down because of how many songs were coming out during Vocacolle lol

Oh this is a great new thread. I love hub threads, help keeps things organized.

>>18644
what the hell it's down again. I'm never gonna get to use this site.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=PKAqdRtrYek

I think VocaDB users in aggregate have pretty good taste (certainly better than total song views on video platforms) but I do find myself disagreeing with the rankings a lot. Covers tend to receive little attention, and when they do I often don't agree their placement (I prefer the original Electric Angel and Song of the Eared Robot, over Giga's version and Machine Love, respectively [though the later is technically not cover]). And while cannot expect to agree with every song/album rating, I think a major problem lies in the scoring system.

Liking a song increases its score by 2, and favoriting a song increases its score by 3, with no way to contribute a negative score. This means that popular songs that more overall users like will score higher than songs that a larger proportion of users like but that are more obscure. Albums do have star ratings, but sorting by rating average does not take the total number of ratings into account, and total score only sorts by popularity; you cannot sort by both at the same time.

Rate Your Music also suffers from similar problems, where there is a massive gulf between albums that have thousands of ratings and those with almost none. However, RYM lets users rate albums with a five star system, with a sorting algorithm that balances the star rating with the total number of ratings, so albums need a high star rating with enough total ratings to appear at the top of the list.

What I'm looking for is a user rated list of songs where the general consensus is that they are good, not just popular; problems aside, after adding the song charts, RYM more or less provides this, just not for vocal-synth music for some reason.
https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/song/all-time/g:vocaloid%2dscene/
(The list is empty for me.)

>>18344
I checked the GitHub again, and it looks like the site's being worked on now, so hopefully soon it will stay up consistently. At least we know the site is definitely not dead.

>>19023
I'm a fan of their rating system but RYM has this issue where people who don't typically listen to Vocaloid will rate a Vocaloid song and it ends up with a rating under 3 as a result.

>>18856
It's up for me

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>>18635
It's funny that RYM's search is inexplicably worse than VocaDB's in some respects; trying to find music in languages other than English is awful. RYM does not index the translated titles for releases, it only searches for the title in the original language, even when the English translation is literally on the cover.
https://rateyourmusic.com/search?searchterm=Weather%20Station&searchtype=l
https://rateyourmusic.com/search?searchterm=%E3%82%A6%E3%82%A7%E3%82%B6%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B9%E3%83%86%E3%83%BC%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3&searchtype=l

Is there a good reason that both producers and voicebanks are in the artist category on VocaDB? I know that releases will often credit the vocalsynths that were used, but it seems incredibly weird to me to combine them together for a database.

>>18342
New url: https://vocarank.ing/

>>19453
I agree that they should be separate

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IbfUuekFc2Q

>there are both languages and language tags
>searching for one does not search for the other

>>20133
RYM or VocaDB?

>>20134
VocaDB

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I just remembered that you can exclude tags on VocaDB by pressing the "Include" button. I've been listening to hours of music from genres that I wasn't looking for.

Do any of you still use NND to discover new music? I know it was very common before everyone started uploaing on youtube but there are still songs that are exclusive to NND

>>20321
Only during Vocacolle these days. Admittedly, after a lot of the region restrictions, I slowly phased out of using it.

That said, anyone excited for Vocagathering this weekend? Seems some JP producers are joining in this time too.

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>>20321
I've only ever used Niconico to watch videos that have been linked elsewhere, same with Bilibili. Admittedly, I've found some of my favorite music through YouTube recommendations, but I resent the lack of control that I had in the process.
>>20326
First I'm hearing about this.
https://vocagathering.com/2026/
I'm not super invested, but you could make a thread when it starts to generate interest.

>>20321
Rarely
I only use it if i found it via Vocacolle or VocaDB and the song is only available on NND

>>20328
I wish i could participate in this year's Vocagathering but it takes me like a month to finish my songs

>>20365
I'm pretty sure most people usually have something saved each year which why they're able to release them so quickly, same with Vocacolle

>>20367
It was also announced back in the fall, so there were a few months for people to prepare.

>>20328
True, prob a good time to start one early since some have already started promoting their songs and have premiere's ready.

>>20436
This

On VocaDB, is there any way to view alternative versions of a song in the main search engine and not as a list on the original song page? The closest I can think of is to search for the song name, but the results vary by what language you use, and it doesn't show everything.

>>21323
I don't think so

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UzhMDy3lbek

I kinda wish VocaDB allowed instrumental remixes of Vocaloid originals.

Is Vocaranking dead for anyone else? I'm getting Error 1033
https://vocarank.ing/en/

>>29491
that site dies almost every week it'll probably be back soon

>>29491
It's back up now

>>29491
Vocarank is almost always dead just wait a few hours and it comes back

>>29621
site's being held up by sticks and glue

not sure how many people still remember vgperson but i recently remembered this page still exists
https://vgperson.com/vocalhighlights.php

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>>29491
it works for me

>>29672
Site's fixed now but it was down earlier

I love VocaDB but man do i hate its tagging system. Worlds by Porter Robinson is somehow tagged "Downtempo" and unlike on sites like RYM you can't downvote tags.

>>30090
At least for this specific tag I believe they've treated it strictly about BPM since they've aliased it to "slowtempo" but it's sort of useless this way. In general though you can report tags and they usually will get deleted if it's egregious.

>>29491
When you posted this the beta site went live.
https://beta.vocarank.ing/en/

>>30096
I had no idea there was even a beta site huh

>>30090
I've seen "I'm glad you're evil too" tagged as Trip Hop

>>30098
Weirdest thing to be tagged trip hop is Calalini

Hate to sound like a complainer but almost 50% of today's VocaDB highlights are ironic meta songs. Anyone else just sick of those?.

>>31723
Seems like a bunch of 13 y/os again

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>>31724
Always is. I can't really blame them because at that age i would probably fall for the bait too but I hate that it works and as a result it gets pushed to the top while the actual good songs remain hidden.

Is VocaDB slow for anyone else lately?

>>36601
VocaDB is always slow

>>36601
Sorry for necro. Just wanted to say that as much as i love VocaDB its really upsetting how slow it can be.

>>37204
I agree, it wasn’t loading at all for me the other day which was extremely frustrating

>>37257
I wonder why that happens. Do they have their servers in Asia or something? But even asian websites load faster than VocaDB for me.

>>37576
Pretty sure they gained about 10x the traffic in the last few years and haven't upgraded the servers or anything

>>37576
Server, not servers. All three databases (VocaDB, UtauDB, TouhouDB) are hosted on one Windows server in the EU. There is no money going in, minimal development, and this is all exacerbated by aggressive scrapers (they tune Cloudflare Turnstile to be more aggressive sometimes depending on activity).
Everyone should treat it as a fragile resource. Database dumps happen, but the software is brittle and the management is a cobbled volunteer staff.

>>37579
>Windows Server
>In EU
>Hosting 3 big sites
Well that does explain a lot, jesus.

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>>37579
They have a Patreon for server costs but they barely advertise it. Wonder how much it would cost for them to invest in a better setup

>>37579
We really need to have a proper archive for vocalsynth stuff that preferrably actually hosts said content. I think having something like archive.org but just for our stuff would be stellar.

>>37582
You mean something like MikuDB but that actually works?

>>37584
what's wrong with mikudb

>>37627
Nothing's wrong with MikuDB itself, it's just that all the links are dead and the site hasn't been updated since 2024

>>37584
MikuDB isnt an archival site because it doesnt actually host the content on site, it just links to it. Hence all the broken links. Im talking about something that would actually store videos, music files, on site. I know thats a very big task and its not feasible unless you have a lot of money but a guy can dream

>>37635
It'd be very, very hard to make something like that

Someone really needs to revive MikuDB conceptually. Back in the day there were tons of blogspot blogs dedicated to uploading Vocaloid albums in good quality, now there's nothing.