How did Engloids fall off so hard? It's not like no one cares about Vocaloid music in English, all those recent Teto and Miku songs and even Butcher Vanity prove there's still a market for it but it wasn't long ago when everybody was obsessed with Oliver and Big AL. You rarely hear people talk about them anymore.

>>64
I miss Oliver, he was cute

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cK8fhkb7Rxc

>>67
Oliver will probably return eventually now that he has an AI voicebank. It's only a matter of time before we see new songs with him.

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Engloid as a concept lives on through SynthV and soon Maghni AI (they're the ones making AI voicebanks of all the PowerFX 'loids). With the Zero-G ones its a bit uncertain, I doubt we'll be seeing Avanna, Sonika, Tonio, Prima, etc get updated voicebanks anytime soon. Sonika is confirmed to have had a V4 in progress but it was cancelled around the time Vocaloid 5 came out.

Fuck Yamaha.

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>>71
>>126

I was informed that Vocatone's new voicebanks might have different voice providers. This was known for Oliver since apparently Vocatone is now against using real children for their voicebanks (likely because of songs like the very infamous "Gay Sex", let's be honest) but apparently Ann/Al will not be voiced by Frank and Jody. I don't know how true this is but it's definitely worrying.

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I miss Avanna

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W2TE0DjdNqI [Embed]

so is zero-g officially done with vocaloid? i know vocatone/pfx are still around

>>486
"i know vocatone/pfx are still around" About PFX..haha..
Unless you know something I don't, PFX's involvement with Vocaloid ended with Bil Bryant leaving the company. Is Vocatone the only dedicated Engloid company left? That's kinda sad

>>487
Isn't Vocatone part of PowerFX? Every "returning" Maghni voicebank so far has been a previously released PFX voicebank (Big AL, Sweet Ann, Oliver, Ruby, etc).
>Is Vocatone the only dedicated Engloid company left?
From the Vocaloid (software) era, yes. There's still English only voicebanks being developed for SynthV.

>>488
>From the Vocaloid (software) era, yes. There's still English only voicebanks being developed for SynthV.
Yeah, I should've specified that I was referring specifically to English Vocaloids and not vsynths in general orz
>Isn't Vocatone part of PowerFX? Every "returning" Maghni voicebank so far has been a previously released PFX voicebank (Big AL, Sweet Ann, Oliver, Ruby, etc).
Originally I thought they were more akin to a circle a la VOCALOMAKETS (even if they are an actual business/LLC) but the Vocaloid wiki does say they're a spin-off company? Interesting..even then I feel that's different from being actually part of PFX, who I heard dropped out of Vocaloid after YOHIOloid + Bil Bryant's departure to focus on Soundation (which makes them way more money) a long time ago.
Vocatone is mostly comprised of fans from the community too, but I don't really keep up with Vocatone, Maghni AI, or PFX's Vocaloid stuff outside of Oliver so I may be wrong or something might have changed. (God willing)
Unless I missed something, the "returning" vocals are also still solely speculation and haven't been confirmed to be old Engloids yet (even though I agree some look similar and probably are)
I'll have to look into it more..we'll both have to wait and see.

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>>493
Technically YAMAHA still makes ENGloids but they're uhh……….. let's just say they're not marketed towards the average Vocaloid user. I have to admit I like CYBER DIVA though.

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>>494
Yep, I liked Cyva and Cyman (Cyber Songman) too, and, I have no idea why they scrapped the VY series when it was so much better imo..Even the four voicebanks you posted just got replaced with those V6 silhouette-loids lol

>>496
Even if i'm not a fan, the creepy 3D models at least sounded better than whatever the hell they went with for V6. I don't know what it is about V6 voicebanks that i dislike but i haven't heard a single good one. Can't be the engine noise because CEVIO is way worse in that regard and yet i love KAFU.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=HUar7KtZoxw [Embed]

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>>498
Agree. Probably the flatness of the vocals, they sound so bad because Yamaha got rid of 90% of the parameters and I'm not even kidding. Vocaloid has always had this problem but at least in the past end-users had a way to correct it without spending $500+ on VSTs. Pretty sure even "Character" and "Expression" were added via updates and weren't even there on release.
The comments on that video are pretty telling LOL (but I also prefer KAFU + CeVIO and Voisona to SynthV or Vocaloid personally)

>>499
It's also more expensive than SynthV

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I think about engloids a lot. I feel like a lot of them are very unique but failed to get the love they deserve just for the fact that 90% of vocaloid's fanbase is japanese. Prima, tonio, avanna and even miriam all have very interesting voices (especially the first two, they're currently the only vocalsynths made for opera until that new synthv comes out). Even Sonika who admittedly is the least interesting of the bunch (even if i and most of this site love her) has at least some charm and a distinct voice that cannot be compared to other vsynths.

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>>563
Have we even gotten a purposely cutesy (both voice and design) English vocal since Sonika? Vocals marketed for pop alone don't count to me imo (especially since deep-voiced pop singers like Adele exist, and Solaria is more similar to Adele than Hatsune Miku outside of having a character design. That might be why people are still so attached to Sonika in the first place.)

Voices that have character designs aren't inherently character vocals to me either, the Starry Court (Solaria, Asterian and them) are marketed as professional pop, bass etc. vocals and not cute characters.

I don't even listen to country music and would still kill for a country-loid with a similar design and voice in a cartoony style similar to Alex Ahad or any of the Skullgirls artists. and a voice like Applejack's (´・ω・｀)

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>>566
i'm pretty sure sonika was meant to be exactly that when they made her. her original boxart used the render in picrel for a long time before the redesign. it was in late 2009 that they decided to market her vb towards the fandom instead of the actual producers and do contests and interact with the community via twitter.

i honestly wish they still did the twitter stuff with new vocaloids. it made them feel more "real". like you were reading some celebrity's tweets. the only account that still somewhat does this is oliver and it's not even close to what sonika's account was.

>>571
>i honestly wish they still did the twitter stuff with new vocaloids. it made them feel more "real". like you were reading some celebrity's tweets. the only account that still somewhat does this is oliver and it's not even close to what sonika's account was.
Even if Sonika was the first, Japanese loids still do this luckily! Tsuina's is very..interesting..

>>496
Part of me wishes CYVA/CYMAN's voicebanks had Japanese counterparts (no, VY1/VY2 don't count) so people would make more stuff with them. I know CYVA has a couple originals but the only good ones are the ones Circus/Crusher made because they're the only engloid producers who know how to tune and mix.

CYMAN has uhh… his demos and that's it.

>>572
Wasnt there an official flower twitter account that was constantly being horny or am i misremembering?

prima is genuinely one of the coolest vsynths

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>>961
Nope, lol

>>1008
Sorry guys it was me

>>1008
>2014
almost 11 years since flower got pregnant…

https://youtube.com/watch?v=W-kCxx_rVwg

Prima is criminally underrated

Zero-G should've canonized Primina as Prima's official design methinks

>>566
Eleanor Forte but she's a SV

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/leek/ will save Sonika.
I believe in you /leek/.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GyjpqeKqzaQ

>>1276
Eleanor seems like another one of those banks that just happens to have a character design for marketing reasons but still has a mature and/or professional voice, like the Eclipsed Sounds banks. Especially because she was just another reference voicebank by Kanru (because I think this was before Dreamtonics even existed iirc) until Animen bought her rights and just slapped the cute girl on it. I wish there was a loli/cutesy sounding English voicebank (on literally any VSynth), Sonika may not be a loli but her voice is still way cuter than the average Engloid, native English SynthV etc.
Hell, even Miku English herself sounds mature! Maybe Maghni AI will deliver with Imani, I heard a rumor that a Maghni AI bank is going to be voiced by a voice actor instead of the typical amateur or professional singer that English banks get, hell even Oliver himself is a choir boy’s voice and not intended to be a character, and to my knowledge choir boys are trained by professionals.
What I’m seeking is an Engloid with a voice like KAFU/Zundamon/POPY/Gwar Gura (lmao), not just an Engloid with a character design because there are probably tons of those esp. if we include UTAU. Unfortunately it’s probably going to take a long time because English anime VAs are probably scared of AI aside from VTubers most of them also suck, and “normal” English VAs who do things like cartoons are probably either too expensive to hire or will also see AI and assume vocal synths are “trying to steal their jobs.”

Take this with a grain of salt because vidrel is the only Eleanor song I know and listen to regularly (I’m not really interested in covers anymore) and she sounds pretty mature in it to me.

>>1279
I unironically want something to come out of this Sonika meme so we can show vsynth companies cute girls can sell in the West too. I wish whoever was trying to make Sonika V4 did a crowdfund, I’m sure people would love it. Maybe she’ll get a Maghni AI since a bunch of other previously “abandoned” Engloids are speculated to? God willing. It seems like Sonika is still available on ZeroG’s website as well, even adding her to cart works. Does she come with the V2 editor? I swear I saw someone say either Miku or all V2 voicebanks come with the editor. If true, does V2 run well on Windows10?

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Wait I remember she exists, and there’d also a high chance she has the same voice provider and/or was created by the same people as Yami Ryone. Rarely see content with her though..Also sucks she looks like a loli but is canonically 21. Cowards.

>>1284
All the discontinued 'loids that got on Maghni were PFXloids because VocaTone are a spinoff company of PowerFX. Sonika on the other hand is developed by Zero-G who quit the vsynth scene after Yanaha fucked them over.

>>1343
It’s Sonikover

I dont think zero-g cares much about their loids. MIRIAM's vp asked for an upgrade about 10 years ago and to this day she's stuck on V1. After DEX and DAINA they basically dipped. I wonder if they're still in contact with Aki Glancy.

When are we gonna see an engloid revival? and i dont mean SynthVs like Eleanor

i want actual engloids.

I wish we had an ENGloid for V6, but most likely we will have one more english-speaking default yamaha VB. and considering that most voicebanks can sing in mandarin, chinese or english, it wouldn't matter either way. we're doomed orz

>>1642
Isn't po-uta one?

>>1643 we need one more….

>>1642
>>1646
Impossible in 2025. PFX quit Vocaloid plus they're developing their own engine under Vocatone and Zero-G quit the vocalsynth scene after Yamaha fucked them over while they were making Sonika V4. (That last one hurts the most imo, not even because of Sonika but because it felt like Zero-G was the one company that cares the most about the WVF).

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Name my band

>>2967
the black eyed peas

>>2967
GTA NPCs

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Why was Elly forgotten in favor of Solaria who's less cute?

>>4498
Solaria is hot but i don't fuck with her western art style i need her drawn by a Japanese

>>2967
Kanye West & Friends

>>2967
Oddly enough I really like Amy and Ken's voices. Kaori has a lower quality voice and I'm neutral on Chris. I wish we got more VBs that weren't just white or East Asian. I enjoy vocal variety.
>>4498
Eclipsed Sounds actively embraces the Western communities, specifically the American and UK ones. I hate Solaria's design and voice but aside from her and the purple opera one I can never spell right, I think Eclipsed has an alright output. Elanor is also very hard to obtain, so that's why I'm guessing people moved on. I love Dreamtonics' banks despite them not having designs. I like drawing up concepts but I never end up finishing them.
My favorite ES bank is HXVOC, but Asterian is very high up there.

>>4502
I personally like both their voices and design but yeah they're not made for the average vsynth weeb, they're made for producers

>>4503
It's kind of funny how small the "western producer who refuses to use a weeb voicebank" market is even today after 10+ attempts to appeal to them. Maybe there's some community I don't know about, but it feels like Eclipsed is the only group to come close to widespread adoption, and their products have character designs that are plenty goofy and "unprofessional". I don't see any real reason why the professional bank/unprofessional bank divide needs to exist.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6Zlktx_rml0

There's a producer i follow who's obsessed with Eleanor. They rarely make originals but when they do they're great, vidrel is one of them. They're very 90's sounding in a good way.

>>4507
Teto saved the western SV scene

>>4508
The lyrics are silly but you're right it does sound very 90's rock.

>>4509
I'm not surprised that Teto got popular with western producers. The reason they didn't use her before is because unless you're CircusP making Japanese voicebanks sing in English is a pain in the ass. With Teto having multilang support now that barrier is broken.

>>4511
Yeah the barrier has always been how linguistically complicated English is. I look at the phoneme codes Vocaloid has (Q? V?) and smh

>>4512
It's not just that. Before SynthV existed people used English versions of voicebanks that were already popular in Japan such as Luka, Gumi and Miku instead of Big AL, Sonika, Tonio, etc because let's face it everybody knows who Miku is but ask a Vocaloid fan who Big AL is and they probably have no idea. So SynthV having multilanguage support and Teto being the most popular voicebank in Japan on top of SV itself being cheaper than V6 means a lot of Western producers were able to buy Teto and put her in their songs.

>>4511
I actually enjoy making JP Vocaloids sing in English, but UTAUs are a pain without extra phonemes.
Part of why I make so many cover and so few originals is because the practice of converting phonemes and tuning is fun to me but I never learned proper music theory and am a perfectionist with melodies, so what I put out is usually the result of a long struggle.

>>4515
I mean, Kikuo never learned music theory either and was told not to because it'd make his music boring

>>4528
And Kikuo is extremely talented and I like his work. I guess everything I make just sounds bad to me so I rarely release it. I don't really know how to make things more interesting

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My favorite Leon is the one based off Girolamo Panzetta. When I first saw that design I thought it was Adam Sandler.

>>4668
We need a fanloid based off that

Just Adam Sandler's head on a drawn MS Paint man with a microphone. Call him ADAMSAN. His catchphrase can be some quote from Adam Sandler or something stupid like Let's get ready to rock n roll this house

>>4669
>ADAMSAN
Kek i can probably do this

>>4669
curious to know what the fuck this would even sound like. wouldn't it just be a jinriki utau of adam sandler?. that would make more sense than pitching up big al or something right?.

>>4669
Adamsan, honorary leekaloid

>>4669
Literally Adam-san

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>>4669
>>4670

>>4703

for no reason, i'm imagining him with microsoft sam's voice... idk

https://youtube.com/watch?v=yLxP3V4veJk

>>4709
Like this?

If you think about it MS Sam was the original Engloid

>>4703
Why is he wearing the Punkish Len outfit but green

>>4753
Adam san likes to get freaky

>>1283
Toriko Diffsinger will be exactly that when it's out assuming it's still being worked on so look forward to that

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJ89cvqX5Ik

I wish Oli had more idol sounding songs

>>4953
I wish he had more songs in general

>>4953
Same. I also wish he had denpa songs, I'm disappointed that Magical Cure Love Shot didn't seem to inspire people to make denpa with engloids.

>>4961
i was trying to make something with sonika but im no sawtowne, cant work with beeps and boops, i need guitars and drums in my music

>>4949
I want to make a cover of -ERROR with her so badly. The lyrics fit her perfectly.

>>4949
I follow the voice provider on twitter. She doesn't update often and appears to be busy recently but on May 23 she said the voicebank is still being worked on.

>>4977
In the meantime you could use TORIKO CV with OpenUTAU's English plugin to make her sing in broken English if you're too desperate

>>4962
Technically you could still make a denpa song with guitar and drums, though you would have to focus more on making the lyrics sound denpa than the music itself.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YoeIxwFLc6k

>>5006
Or you could also just...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=MVR6Z-ZSxdQ

>>5006
it's definitely possible without needing that many beeps and boops (though they are quite nice)

Secrets of Wysteria daughter or Gay Sex son?

>>5275
I'm sorry Gay Sex but Wysteria was one of the first Vocaloid songs I heard

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Kwxvr2ShCj8

RIP

Welcome to Who wants to be a Millionaire. You must answer the following question:

Elly is:
a) Dead
b) Alive

>>7067
I'm betting on option A just for the fact that she's an English voicebank. Anyway i was hoping she would show up on SVS2 with multilang support and more modes, guess that's impossible now.

>>7067
Alive (cope)

>>7065
I'm not even gonna lie whenever i heard that a voicebank is going to be discontinue my first instinct is to look up a cover of this song with said voicebank

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I know many people consider Maghni AI a meme synth but man, I really want it to come out. I want the PFXloids back, it hurts me that they're discontinued.

>>7233
I think you can still buy them off Sonicwire Japan

>>7239
they're still discontinued as a result of pfx merging with that aislop company and i doubt 90% of wvps will get a japanese vpn just to buy their voicebanks. maghni really is our only hope lol.

>>7240
Many WVPs aren't going to go through the effort anyway but you don't need a VPN to buy off sonicwire japan. You just need to change the website language to japanese on the homepage. Mahgni AI really is the only hope for bringing them back to relevancy though.

>>7242
When was the last update we got from Vocatone regarding Maghni AI again?

>>7246
They said in April the crowdfund rewards are coming soon (which includes the software I think?)
Still no ETA though

>>7247
April this year or April last year?

>Literally every western producer uses Miku or Teto now
Engloidbros are we fucked?

Sonika will save Engloid (not cope)

>>7233
I can only accept the new Big AL voicebank if its either voiced by Frank or Michael (Big AL Beta guy)

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>EN vocaloid revival happens
>None of the EN vocaloid songs use ENloids
Feels like a big middle finger being shoved in my face

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>>7535
Let's be honest, prods like Jamie and Sawtowne will never ever in their lives use English voicebanks like Oliver or Sonika. It's up to you to be the change you want to see. Become the Engloid producer you wish was real.

>>7537
Even if they wanted to, all the PFXloids are discontinued. Avanna, Dex, Daina, Prima, Tonio and Sonika are all that's left.

>>7537
You could broadly group EN-Ps into
>Group A: producers that care about realism and ease of use
>Group B: producers that care about otaku culture
I’d say A is most likely to prefer SynthV banks and B as most likely to use Miku/Teto. The V3/V4 era engloids kind of fall in an awkward middle ground. Of course you should represent the vocaloid era you love most as >>7537 suggests.

>>7540
Don't forget Cyber Diva and Cyber Songman. ippo.tsk has used CYVA before.

>>7542
Group B just uses any Japanese voicebank that has an English version or that can be modified to sing in English, not just Miku/Teto. An example is the recent Jamie P song.

>>7548
At least that song uses Rei, and Circus P uses underrated ones like Piko.

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>>7550
everyone should use piko

>>7551
and then people say Len is the gayest vocaloid...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=TU4nAyyer6Y

One of the best uses of Prima i've seen

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i wish she got more love, she's one of my favourite vocaloids ever

>>7670
Always found it funny how these fan designs of MIRIAM barely look like Miriam Stockley

>>7537
I’m trying..music production is so hard though! I make cool loops people love but making it a full song is hard </3
>>7535
Right, I love HXVOC so much but until I can make my own music he’ll probably be doomed to cover hell like most wholoids _(:3」∠)_

>>7715
That's pretty much every english Vocaloid's fate sadly

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When

>>7955
>Expect a big update soon!
Hmmm...

https://x.com/Cinna_VA/status/1944076740101644303 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

>>7955
>>7956
All i want is an update on the other returning voicebanks that aren't Ruby and Oliver

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Anyone like chipspeech? I love crunchier voices

>>8047
Yes I was obsessed with Dandy 704 a few years ago! I headcanon he’s Miku’s grandma.
We need more English character TTSes..

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>>8047
For me it's Lady Parsec

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I still have faith

>>10537
If Maghni were to fail would VT still be able to publish the new PFXloids under another engine?

>>10554
PFX's lack of acknowledgement of maghni after earlier this year actually makes me wonder if the team actually has rights to make new banks for the PFXloids...

>>10556
Aren't the voicebanks theirs?

Being an engloid fan sucks man
PFX dead, Zero-G semi-dead and Maghni in limbo

>>11347
Zero-G is alive and well, they just don't do Vocaloids anymore and likely never will at this rate

>>11380
Sonika V6 soon *cope*

>>48
This is a thing? Are there ones available for free that a beginner might be able to get into on his own?

>>11410
are what a thing? english vocaloids?
they have been existed for as long as vocaloid itself. all loids are paid, so your best bet is utau.

>>11411
>have been existed
have existed* fucking typo

>>11410
If you're willing to pirate, Big Al is pretty easy to use. If you're not, UTAU is what you should probably be using.

>>11418
Sonika is easy to use too but half of the community will try to convince you she's not

>>11419
Sonika's biggest issue is most people in the Western community don't know how to make her voice clear or struggle with her accent. Tonio is about the same difficulty for the same reason. At least she doesn't have broken phonemes that crash, like him, or phoneme cracks like Gumi English and Yohioloid.

>>11422
>Sonika's biggest issue is being British
yeah

It's bleak

https://youtube.com/watch?v=GGQD9_op-_o

Is Eclipsed Sounds carrying the engloid community at this point? Their banks aren't crazy popular or anything, but they're still releasing regularly and drawing in big names

>>11626
yeah without maghni ai it's pretty much over for the classic engloids

>>11626
As far as i know they're the only Engloid company now ever since PFX shut down. And I know Vocatone owns the rights to their voicebanks + are working on Maghni but ever since that blogpost it feels like the chances of it releasing are low. Still I hope that the Vocatone team are able to push forward and get it out there.

That being said PFX is dead, ZG is dead and Yamaha still makes stuff but it's very low quality compared to Cyber Diva and Songman.

>>11712
It's hard to be an engloid fan

I miss Maika

Primina will always be the definitive Prima design for me

Being an engloid fan is hard because not only are you a fan of a wholoid but also a wholoid you know will never receive an update

>>11939
Is Maika even considered an Engloid? She's in a few English songs but she's one of the few Spanish vocaloids.

>>12200
she's a honorary engloid

>>11627
Bleak

>>180
Great news if true. I don't mind songs like Mimukauwa existing but voicebanks that sample real life children should not exist.

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Why does no one ever talk about these two

>>13130
They're the last Zero-G loids to be released

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Someone should really use her for Gothic Rock

>>1287
she has tits, WHAT DO you mean loli at that point? XD

>>13150
Oppai loli /jk

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

https://youtube.com/watch?v=vmCZLDikMho

Thoughts on this demo?

>>13130
I honestly had no idea they even existed. I thought Zero-G had stopped making 'loids after Vocaloid 3.

>>13617
reminder that vocaloid was intended to be used by professional producers before otaku culture claimed it. someone's first time hearing a vocaloid song was probably this.

>>13617
Leon can beatbox?

>>4668
That is the most Italian sounding name i've ever heard

Eclipsed Sounds VBs need more moe

>>13617
Legendary

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>>13660
Solaria can be moe

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>>13672
She's not moe at all, but the fandom draws her as such
The same happens with Sonika who canonically looks like this

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>>13723
>sonika isnt moe
are you forgetting about these two designs? also the TW one is objectively more popular than the one you just posted

Who would the "hatsune miku" of engloids be?

>>16489
Popularity: Teto (or Eleanor, if you mean EN only)
Concept: Sonika
Sound: Literally just EN Miku, lol

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So, after 2 whole decades, have any of the unknown Engloid voice providers been revealed/found? I was reading an archived VO discussion yesterday about Sweet Ann possibly being Jody Martin, but I don't think it sounds like her at all. Out of the PFXloids i know that AL has been found: https://soundcloud.com/franksanderson1

>>17903
Aside from the cancelled V4 Sonika bank, which was voiced by the utaite Rachie, not really. I'd imagine it'd be hard to identify vocalists like Prima and Tonio's VPs, and in the case of Sonika i'm like 90% sure the voice provider was probably just a friend of one of the developers.

>>17904
Prima is some guy on reddit's friend
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vocaloid/comments/2lusoy/ive_only_just_discovered_vocaloid_becaus_someone/

>>17907
I'd be willing to believe it based on the fact that the OP is a father but anyone can just lie on the internet, especially Reddit

https://youtube.com/watch?v=9F77cFDvydI

>>17907
lol, Prima VP is aware of Primina

>>17908
This guy isn't active in the Vocaloid community either so it would be a pretty random thing to lie about

If you want to take a trip down memory lane here's an old Wordpress blog about Engloids (last updated in 2010)
https://engloids.wordpress.com/
Lots of interesting stuff there

>>17907
I messaged the guy. I'll try to arrange a short interview and if all goes well you should be seeing a thread about it in the future.

>>18504
In the meantime reply to this post with any questions you have. This isn't an official 39chan q&a, I'm just doing this for (You), anons.

>>18504
Good luck. My question for Prima's VP is if she writes back if she's aware of the fan designs and if so which is her favorite.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6TRyay-uDaY

Leaving this here because the original got taken down

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Taiwanese Prima is cute

>>21191
I have a weird relationship with Tw Prima. I absolutely love her design but i dislike it as a Prima design and think Primina suits her better.

>>16494
Eleanor isn't even that popular anymore

Prima found dead in an alley. Cause of death: Asa.

https://x.com/infinityecho00/status/2057406133409874191 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rbo4fV1mcnY

>>26599
Technically, anyone can do opera already

https://youtube.com/watch?v=WjIUB9jaRmc

>>26600
Need to hear some Vocaloid covers of Nina Hagen now

Do people ITT who want these old voicebanks to come back just want their favorite character back or do they actually care about the voice too?

>>26721
It's voice and character for me but mostly voice considering a lot of the Engloids from the V2 era didn't even have a design.

Now if they brought the characters back but with a new VP I wouldn't complain but I would still have mixed feelings. Maghni already brought back Oliver with a new VP and while I'm not exactly fond of the American accent (Oliver is meant to be a Brit) the voice is similar enough for it to not completely bother me. Ann and AL were rumored to have been recast for Maghni as well (and not by Michael King unfortunately) but since they never revealed anything beyond a silhouette I can't really form an opinion.

Sonika V4 as Rachie would've been weird but interesting to see. Again, Sonika is canonically meant to be a Brit like Oliver and Rachie is Indonesian plus her voice is very different from Sonika V2's so I don't know how that would've worked.

Regardless, I likely wouldn't have minded it, I've wanted a Sonika update for ages now.

>>26722
God, same. Sonika was meant to be to the US/UK market what Hatsune Miku was to the Japanese one and it really bothers me that she never had her chance to shine. Imagine what the mid-late 2010's Western scene would've been had that V4 voicebank released.

>>26729
>>26722
I don't think it was entirely Yamaha's fault that Sonika flopped.

Zero-G just kinda failed at attracting the Otaku crowd by using that League of Legends-esque design instead of something moe like the Taiwan / China re-releases. She's also very hard to use.

>>26787
Imagine if Sonika succeeded and there was a popular engloid community where everything looked like Overwatch

>>26800
Wouldn't happen because Vocaloid fans have been complaining about non-anime designs for ages. Remember when Clara and Bruno had to be redesigned because they looked like gta characters?.

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>>26801
I think at the end of the day, what they really wanted was a new fanbase made out of western nerds. If they had succeeded, the scene probably would've looked completely different from the one we know and love.

>>26800
People would still draw her in the anime style

>>26804
You mean like actual, professional producers? The non otaku type?

>>26804
Ruby was PFX not Zero-G. Also god I remember that design.

>>26806
That was the old Engloid target audience, but hear me out: If Sonika was supposed to be the western Miku, maybe they thought the western equivalent to otaku marketing was selling to musicians who are gamers. It would be wrong, but it would explain why she looked like that.

>>26809
Makes sense

>>26804
I don't think much would have changed even if Sonika was a total success. At best she'd be what Gumi was in the 2010s.

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>>26823
Yeah pretty much.
Also i got this banner on this thread kek.

The funny thing is we did get an English equivalent to Miku and it was Eleanor Forte but then she got pseudo-discontinued

>>27468
Eleanor wasn't made for the fandom like Sonika though. I heard that someone just slapped an anime girl on a random female voicebank.

>>27471
Whoever told you this is straight lying because she was fully intended to target the fans lol

Kanru literally formant shifted her voice to ensure this on top of the anime style avatar for her.

>>27468
I wish people treated Eleanor like the posterchild of English vocal synths :( She'll always be that way in my heart even if that pipedream was doomed by her shitty SV2 release and lack of accessible commercial license on her OG release

>>27476
She got a SV2?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=weCbbQmViBw

>>27480
Kinda? All of the SV Standard banks got backwards-compatibility versions made by DT. I don't think they've announced a proper update.

>>27488
I wouldn't count that as a SV2 voicebank, it's just SV1 running on a new version of the engine.
>I don't think they've announced a proper update.
Wish they did.

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I miss when the Engloids & foreignloids had their own niche fanbase. Luckily I’ve found around 3 artists who still draw them, and also almost finished a song with a mutual willing to collaborate with me. I guess Yi Xi and Vimalion are the modern equivalent?

>>28343
Same here. Back in the day there was an entire news blog dedicated to Engloids.

>>28343
Not really. Engloids basically vanished after the V4 era. V5 had re releases of the CYBERs that no one cared for and after that crosslang was added to most engines making the "Engloid" a thing of the past. We had Eleanor, i guess, but she's discontinued.

>>28343
Vimalion is closer to fanloids than it is to Engloids

>>28343
Kevin was the modern equivalent but I'm not sure if he still gets memed like before.

>>28387
Kevin has XLS

>>28391
Native English banks are still Engloids, right? Though I haven't thought about it that deeply

>>28392
Technically a lot of Dreamtonics' letterloids are but I'm still stuck in the 2010's so to me the definition of an Engloid is still "A voicebank released exclusively in English". For example Avanna and Sonika have never had a non-English voicebank.

>>28400
Would that mean Yohioloid doesn't count? I think people include him since he's by PFX

>>28411
Yohio is an Engloid with a JP voicebank the way Luka has an English voicebank but isn't considered an Engloid.

>>28400
Some of those vocaloids had support for phonemes in other languages. Sonika had chinese ones and Maika had portuguese ones.

>>28411
I think Yohioloid english came out first

Happy birthday Sweet Ann

>>28343
why is oliver so gay

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>>30599
Why not

>>30599
And we're all gay for Oliver

rip vocaloid era engloids(?)

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>>30660
They can't be killed when they were already dead

>>30663
Living dead, like Frankenstein

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>>30660
With Zero-G being completely absent and refusing to update their Vocaloids, PowerFX merging into Soundation and discontinuing all their vocaloids, Yamaha not updating CYMAN/CYVA and Vocatone shooting themselves in the foot i think it's safe to say that the ENGloid era is officially over.

Honestly it kinda hurts, as someone who grew up with them, and thought they could've gotten a second chance in this renaissance era of Vocaloid, but you know how the saying goes: don't cry because it's over smile because it happened.

>>30850
Eleanor Forte is also discontinued... but she was more SV-era than Engloid

https://modarchive.org/module.php?214396
https://modarchive.org/module.php?214409

Huh, two whole SONiKA tracks being uploaded to modarchive of all sites. Talk about an unlikely crossover.

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>>30850
And after three days, it rose again

>>31135
One out of god knows how many. Close enough.

>>31138
wgbo, once they buy the rights to the pfxloids and zero-g joins them we'll have a trve engloid renaissance

>>31129
Pretty sure the guy who made these posts here sometimes

>>31135
>it
and by "it", haha, well. let's just say...

For me its Solaria

>>31147
Who, Circus-P? I doubt it

>>30852
Eleanor is very early SV era. Like pre-Studio era if I'm not mistaken.

>>31152
spaztron64

>>31153
Yeah, Studio is from 2020 and Eleanor came out in 2018

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Nobody posts about this guy

>>31169
Avanna's husband

>>31169
kills him with a tampon

>>31171
Fukase and Po-uta would be friends

>>31169
I dont have much to say about him
He's just Nurture era Porter Robinson as a Vocaloid and with Fukase license curse

>>31171
The feminine hygiene rule is so bizarre to me

>>31169
I don't like his voice nearly as much as most Engloids, but he's still sorta good with patience and something to kill the background noise.

>>31182
His voice is fine but i feel like his target audience is Porter Robinson fans rather than casual Vocaloid fans

>>31187
Yeah. I also like his design as well. In fact, I really love it. But you're absolutely right that he's not catering to casual fans either.

>>31190
As i see it Po-uta is just the result of Porter going "I wanna be a Vocaloid". Honestly, if you come to think about it he's like a modern day Miriam considering she's the only other English voicebank to be voiced by a famous singer.

>>31214
I wonder if we'll ever get more voicebanks based on celebrities in the future. Japan has had them for a while, but we have only had Miriam, Po-uta and i guess you could count Yohioloid and Fukase?

>>31215
Honestly after that weird collab with Grimes I dread the thought of a Vocaloid voiced by a western celeb

Miriam's only popular among boomers, Porter has connections to the Vocaloid scene and YohioFuka sing Visual kei so those are fine

>>31215
I want Gagaloid

>>31223
We already have Cyber Diva

>>31224
The voice is very different tho

>>31227
Concept wise its close enough i guess
She's definitely inspired by her

>>31217
>>31215
I'd be okay with loids voiced by utaites or cover artists

>>71
About that...

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>>31217
Grimes unfortunately has an AI voicebank already

>>31247
>AIkuso everywhere
Checks out

>>31247
Disgusting

>>31247
Damn this is soulless

>>30850
If it means anything we're still getting RUBY under the new name RVBY and that's assuming we'll even get Maghni AI at all

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It's funny how the fanmade Prima design looks so fitting yet so unfitting at the same time

>>32037
It's the moe art style. It makes her look young while the actual voice sounds older
I remember back in the day people called it "loli prima" instead of Primina

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>I'm the last of my kiiiind still standiiing

>>31215
Honestly as much as i don't care for vtubers i feel like they're the only "celebrities" who could pull this off aside from Porter Robinson who we know is into otaku culture and Vocaloid.
Yes, there is an extreme oversaturation of wholoids based on vtubers but a big name like Saba or any of the remaining HoloEN members could do as well as Ui did in Japan.

>>32489
Need a Ruby cover of that one Elton John song

>>32490
I'd rather not have any voicebanks based on western celebrities

>>32518
I can excuse Porter for the reasons you mentioned though

>>32489
Honestly if you told me years ago that Ruby would be the only Engloid from the Vocaloid era to survive the transition to AI voicebanks i would've laughed at you

>>32495
which song

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

>>32625
I'm still standing

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Yes, my favorite 'loid rarely gets art
Yes, my favorite 'loid rarely gets any original songs
Yes, my favorite 'loid hasn't been updated in decades and at this point has no chance of ever being updated again
Yes, my favorite 'loid is so obscure that not even Western producers care about her

And yet i still love her

>>34239
Welcome to being an Engloid fan in 2026

>>34239
This is me but with Leon.

>>34245
Prima is at least still available for purchase. Leon is dead dead.

Most English AI vsynths go for the neutral "singing" accent. International Pop Song English, if you will. It's nice for ease of use, but I do kind of miss when vocal synths had different accents. Oliver, Sonika and Leon being British, Lola having her British-Caribbean hybrid accent, Avanna being Irish, Miriam being South African, Sweet Ann having hints of Australian pronunciation here and there, and of course all the American Vocaloids. And even the non-native Japanese-English voicebanks with their strong accents that come directly from the voice providers' effort rather than extra AI data. SynthV is making accents a thing of the past, isn't it...

>>34246
Hes only dead if you're unwilling to pirate >:) (for legal reasons i am joking)

>>34247
If it counts, many of the non english voicebanks with english support like Teto have accents

>>34247
samefagging but yeah
Maybe ive just trauma bonded with the synthetic nature and unease of use of classic Engloids but i just dont find AI Engloids to be compelling for this reason. With the exception of Eleanor Forte and Teto SV i struggle to bring to mind what the other guys sound like.

I guess it doesn't really matter as much which voicebank you choose anymore because they'll all speak all the languages anyway. Even English SynthVs seem to have their time in the spotlight with a few covers before it goes back to the popular characters like Teto and Yi Xi. (Marvin of the last Dreamtonics batch hardly got anything at all, and I think his voice is really nice...)

I hope JOVIE gets some hype behind her at least. She has a cute design and a nice voice and people have been asking for a country vocal for a while.

On a somewhat related note, what's an accent you'd love to see represented in a vsynth at some point? I've always wanted to hear a Scottish Vocaloid. A Welsh Vocaloid would be pretty cool too.

>>34252
I'd love a scottish loid. I wonder if that'd be possible to make with Diffsinger.

>>34253
Probably. But it's not always easy to search for DiffSingers that specifically.

>>34253
Akita Neru NEO has sort of a Mexican accent because her voice provider is from Mexico so i think accents probably translate to DS.

>>34250
Same here except i feel this way about AI voicebanks in general. I will always prefer sample based.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=otWFEhaZr7c

You know what? Post Engloid gems. This is the best Big Al usage ive ever seen.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=OqIwB5eSLzY

>>34287
Always loved Nebulaholic by Circus

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jZlGRdbvX-I

>>34288
Ah, i remember when Cyva came out. Twas a wonderful and exciting time. Found this interesting song with her that actually also uses Songman for once. Pretty nice!

>>34252
British. I know that we already have Oliver, Sonika, etc but Zero-G were the only company making British Vocaloids and we haven't had any British voicebanks since they quit.

>>34296
Oliver was PFX not Zero-G but i agree

>>34287

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j0jUhyb3p00 [Embed]

Brainwashed love by AdyS. He's definitely one of my fav producers overall, and this song I believe is one of his best.

>>34296
There was going to be one for Maghni AI iirc but...we all know how that turned out. I think for a while I thought the SynthV voicebank Danny sounded mildly British but I could very well have been wrong. SynthV accents can often be quite ambiguous.

>>34302
what's with the name

Found a Bruno/Tonio comic feat. some Sonika panels.

https://chorva.art/TonyDJ/

>>34302
>There was going to be one for Maghni AI
Are you talking about Oliver?

>>34306
No, there was gonna be an adult male jazz vocalist. It was listed on the Indiegogo page...

>>34303
WHOOPS

You see, I thought /news/ was like /leek/ or /mmd/ or whatever, except hidden. I then noticed some threads that had words formatted like that, so I think it might be a thread. Anyway, I was going to make a thread to ask, but I thought "name" meant thread name. So I guess it's been my anon name by accident for a little while.

>>34317
Nah, /news/ is a thread on /leek/ itself
Some people have suggested making it into a board but i don't know if that would be a good idea

>>34304
>chorva
That's a name i haven't heard in ages. I used to love her art back in the day.

Funny how Prima, Tonio and Maika aren't even Engloids but still get lumped in with them

>>34327
During the pre SV era, anything that wasnt a Japanese voicebank was an Engloid

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I feel bad for tihs guy. Arguably one of the best English loids we have but everybody forgets about his existence. Even Chris is more popular.

>>34758
https://soundcloud.com/velvet-act-2/cyber-songman-test-finally-a-loid-that-isnt-a-trial

Listen to this! I found it in one of those "every Vocaloid but with good tuning" videos

>>34768
This is very well done. You can hear a bit of wonky pronunciation typical of concat Engloids, but the sample quality itself is really good, as is the tuning work

>>34769
You're right, huh. I guess that's the thing about concat Engloids. You need to do a lot of phoneme editing sometimes to smooth it out, which is where SynthV gets more tempting as it does a lot of that for you.

>>34770
Yeah, english has an unusual amount of vowel sound changes depending on context. The ones I hear the most in engloids is the "er" sounding too strong, where in some cases you want it very soft... similar with "aye". It's a challenging language for vsynth

>>34758
Its sad because people keep asking for good Black vocaloids but then rarely if ever seem to use them. Cyman is very very HQ and deserves better

>>34790
Chris seems to be popular

https://youtube.com/watch?v=BxhKGjZPjI0

>>34287
I like this Big Al song

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1TAKbzUbo_g

>>34793
Any Ferry is good desu

>>34772
Except Avanna. That's just her accent. Her having a neutral accent would take away from her charm and theming imo.

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>>34790
I mean, my favorite VOX Factory vocal, and the one I would most likely buy, is Oona. Her voice and design are both gorgeous. I don't love that VOX Factory is cloud-based like ACE though. Any of the vocals could disappear at any time- one already has. (RIP Aimymoon)

>>34799
Her design is pretty awesome

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Found this interesting article from 2011 about Engloids
https://vocaloidism.com/2011/06/02/a-reflection-on-the-english-vocaloids/

Am I correct in assuming basically all the western vocaloids were programmed by Anders or his associates? Zero-G worked with him, so did PowerFX, and it was Anders who brought Vocatone and later Syo into it. We all know that when Anders left, the engloid scene basically died. There was this guy at Zero-G, Dom Keefe, but it's not exactly clear if he did any of the actual programming either.

>>35605
Dom was project manager for Leon and Lola, sound engineer and a "producer" (he made a few of their demos)

>>35607
I think Dom managed Sonika too but i could be wrong

>>35605
I can’t say the exact cases for the other Zero-G and PFX banks but considering VocaTone and Syo did the work themselves, I think Anders played a similar administrative role for everyone else.

Safe to say that the era of the OG engloids is fully over?

>>35667
Hard to know until something comes out about Maghni AI or the rightsholders of PFX/ZG characters. For now i'd say they're in limbo and we likely won't receive an update on them for the remainder of the decade.

Sometimes i wonder what a new Miriam voicebank would look like. Would they stick with a photo of Miriam Stockley as the cover or redesign her like E-capsule did with Tonio and Prima?.

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Found out that someone colored the Sonika comics years ago
https://www.deviantart.com/candiiappl/art/Vocaloid-2-Sonika-comics-colored-1280960557

>>36369
<years ago
one year ago but you get the point

Is Po-uta the only Engloid based on a non-JP celebrity?

>>36537
As far as i know, yeah. Honestly, i'm kinda surprised we don't have more considering how many of them seem to be into Vocaloid but maybe that's for the better.

>>36537
No, we have Yohio, but idk if you'd consider him a western celebrity or a celebrity at all.
>>36538
A Grimes voicebank is the last thing we need so thank god.

>>36539
>A Grimes voicebank
Technically already exists, just not on Vocaloid

>>36539
I forget that Yohioloid exists

>>36369
Why is she red in the 2nd comic

>>36792
Artist's choice but canonically she can change the color of her hair

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>>36792

>>36818
I'm so used to Mario's and E-Capsule's designs of her that I forget she once looked like this

>>36819
The old design really makes her look like a sim

>>36542
To boot it’s the only voicebank the main/global branch of TuneCore supports 😭

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My favorite Engloid and probably the most underrated from the PFX family

>>36833
Isn't Tunecore a music distributor? or do they have some sort of vocal synth i was not aware of

>>37115
i'm excited for her new voicebank, if nChant ever comes out

>>37115
I'm sure she'll be more popular when nChant releases (cope)

>>37128
In the event nChant actually releases and actually turns out to be good, that genuinely might be plausible because the Vocaloid engine really didnt do her voice justice and made her sound too similar to Cyber Diva. If she were just on a better engine that better captured the characteristics of her voice better she'd be spectacular