i've got that optimistic side that thinks it will but idk, the current team got fucked over massively and it sucks. i hope that if maghni does crash and burn they are at least able to release their voicebanks on a different engine.

>>10610
>if maghni does crash and burn
I believe Vocatone still owns the rights to both VBs and characters so even if the project fell apart they could still do something with them

>>10609
i hope so, but it's starting to seem unlikely. at the very least, i hope their progress becomes open source or something like that.

We're gonna get Maghni AI before a new Lily voicebank lol

>>10613
There's also a bunch of non-Vocatone voicebanks, no idea what's happening with those. I think the engine devs have SAWTOWNE's voicebanks at least?

>>10616
Sawtowne has a voicebank?

I admittedly care more about the Zero-G 'loids than the PFX ones but I've already accepted that they will never be upgraded. They had a chance with Sonika in 2018 but Yamaha did a Yamaha and ZG said fuck it no more vocaloids.

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>>10617
He was working on a couple new ones. One of the devs implied Arctos is pretty far along atm

>>10619
Never realized Saw was behind those

>>10609
I WANT TO BELIEVE

i want sonika ai

>>10614
I believe one of the devs said if they stop working on it, then they plan to make their portion of the work open source, so there's that at least.

The Half Life 3 of vocalsynths

I still have faith

My question is: if Maghni AI fails does that mean it's officially over for English vocaloids? SynthV ones like Natalie and Solaria are not a concert since they're recent and still supported but in the case of pretty much every Zero-G loid and (in the chance Maghni is cancelled) PFXloids, are they forever stuck on those obsolete engines?

>>11561
concern*

>>11561
Ruby would probably still be released as a DiffSinger bank

>>11565
They would only be able to do this if Vocatone itself dies

>>11561
I'm still upset over the fact that Miriam Stockley wanted to upgrade her voicebank but Zero-G didn't want to

>>11580
V1 era Vocaloids are basically dead (except kaito and meiko because Crypton owns them)

>>10619
Does he voice the bear

https://youtube.com/watch?v=zL2No7FLE-U

>>11600
Dunno, but he already sings so it's plausible

>>11614
this is the gayest thing i've seen in my entire life

>>11614
I don't know how to explain this but he sounds like if someone made Ant Clemons into a Vocaloid

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>>11615
My bad

>>11561
>>11562
short answer: yes

>>11816
Bleak

I just hope i get to hear Big Al again in my lifetime

>>11561
afaik yes
They're the only company left from the Vocaloid era

I wouldn’t say it’s the end, though I definitely don’t see a new English company going into V6 unless it’s a passion project

>>11856
Eclipsed Sounds is carrying Engloids right now but most people ITT were referring to companies from the V1-4 era.

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Bring back the Jesus of bara

Maghni AI will come out before SynthU

>>11856
SV is probably more profitable for them anyway

>>11614
He's got a nice voice but god damn this is extremely gay

>>11856
i hope the guys who run the toriko thing eventually release a commercial leekaloid but as far as i know they're non profit and will likely keep it that way

>>13722
impossible for a leekaloid to go commercial. especially on a japanese engine.

>>13761
Why

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>>13762
First of all: we're a niche imageboard for vocaloid fans. Yes, we are active but we're not nearly as big or relevant as 2chan or even 4chan are. It's highly unlikely that Japanese companies would even be willing to reach out to loser gaijins like us for a voicebank, and with Vox Soft being indie I don't think they'd be able to afford all the shit you need to have your own voicebank on an engine.

As for the only English engine out there: I doubt the Maghni AI devs would be willing to associate with a site with similar culture to 4chan. We have a tendency to not give a shit about things the western Vocaloid community considers sacred: that's why KAFU SV got leaked here, that's why we have a piracy discussion thread, that's why people here aren't ashamed of saying they like Shota Shota Island. And I know not everyone here has the same views on those things, 39chan isn't a collective mindset. But cmon do you really think any western producer or company would be willing to work with a website that's seen as "4chan but vocaloid"?.

>>13763
>We have a tendency to not give a shit about things the western Vocaloid community considers sacred
Is it really any different on 2chan? Don't they have a board for piracy?

>>13765
he's not talking about the Japanese websites.

he's referring to how people here don't care about what the wvf thinks because everyone here is anon and can say whatever the hell they want.

also i don't think the community is dumb enough to think that 39chan is a group of people with the same thoughts and values. besides it has been recognized by a couple notable individuals in it.

>>13761
>>13763
Personally I'm glad we don't have any leekas on commercial engines and that they aren't mainstream. The Teto-ification of TORIKO would have disastrous consequences on both this website and the overall Vocaloid community. I want the leeaks to still belong to us.

>>13768
The diff is good enough methinks

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>>13761
Not as things stand currently, but it took Teto over a decade to go commercial. Times change and it really boils down to the persistence of the fans and the creators in my opinion. I don't think we'll be seeing that with a leekaloid as long as the forum remains niche but I don't find it impossible to conceive of.

>>13785
I highly doubt we'll ever see leekas on commercial engines for the reasons this anon listed here >>13763

The Japanese community barely knows we exist, the single "studio" to come out of this board is indie and broke, and the Western community probably sees this site as nazi Germany given the ties to 4chan.

>>13904
Lol no. I can assure you that the majority of the western community that knows about 39chan doesn't care about it. The site's not big enough to have a reputation like that and the ties to 4chan you mention are very minor.

Your fortune: Bad Luck

>>13904
Ah yes because 2ch definitely has a squeaky clean reputation

>>13905
This

Few western producers know about this site and the ones who do, don't really care about it at all

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Leekaloid talk aside should we expect any updates on the project this year? Last year was a bit rough with all the stuff that happened to Maghni's dev team. I really want to see the project be finished and become successful.

>>13915
I do predict that something will happen this year but it won't be the engine's release. I don't think we're gonna see that til the end of the 2020s with some sort of beta launching before the final version.

And yes I am pulling this out my ass, no one knows anything about Maghni's current status.

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I get the feeling that Maghni AI will either be a big win for the English Vocaloid community or one of the biggest failures depending on whether it actually delivers what it promised or not. That being said though i'll continue looking forward to Ann/Al's AI voicebanks.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8DmjiG1p-Y4

The Ruby demo from a while back

>>17680
I do hope that they succeed. I like the idea of a western vocal-synth, especially one that brings back beloved voicebanks from that era like Oliver. It'd be a big shame if it never came out.

>>17703
The other "western" Vocal synth is SynthV, which if I'm not mistaken is actually Chinese but has a couple teams developing ENGloids for it.

>>17783
Basically no one remembers but Kanru used to live in America. That's why Eleanor was the first SynthV

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>>13763
Have /g/bros here considered going Kanru mode and making their own vocal synth instead of relying on other companies?

>>19564
anon, we can't even train diffsingers what makes you think we can make a vocal synth from scratch

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I hope i'm wrong but i don't think we're ever getting this one

>>19564
Thinking we can do this at all is delusional lol

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Maghnis are shipping, this is not a drill

>>24509
Maghni is out?

>>24510
>It's an empty box with instructions
Oh

>>24509
I told you guys we'd get an update on Maghni this year. But on a serious note, why are they shipping out the voicebank boxes but not the software itself?. Is it to generate hype?.

>>24515
It’s just so backers can at least receive some compensation for their contribution because we’re sadly likely not getting our money back (it’s all been spent).

They started shipping orders back after the debacle in October, that said only 7 orders have been shipped so far rn.

>>24523
On strippers and alcohol like Ant Simulator?

>>24524
lol supposedly it all went to where they said it went to but I’m not entirely sure it’s the full story. Especially since their programmer supposedly left. I won’t lie, everything I’ve heard rumour mill wise since last year has been a disaster. I reasonably can’t say everything because if something is true I wouldn’t want to get anyone in trouble. All I can say is I’ve almost completely lost faith in the project.

>>24509
Well what's inside it?

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>>24542
According to someone on Twitter it's instructions on how to download it when Maghni releases
Pic not mine

>>24558
imagine if it doesnt release so now you're stuck with the box

>>24558
They totally ordered all the boxes before finishing the project and didn’t know what to do with them.

>>24565
damn. yknow im a bit concerned about whatever the hell happens if they dont finish the project.

How would you guys fix Maghni?

>>24571
by releasing it

>>10613
In the hypothetical situation that Maghni does fail wouldn't they be able to put the old voicebanks back on sale?

>>24595
can they even do that

>>24558
>buy voicebank
>open box
>its fucking paper
what even is the point of buying physical voicebanks anymore if they're basically empty? and this isn't even a maghni issue, i've seen other engines do this

>>24628
You will own nothing and you will be happy

>>24558
This is one of the most wasteful and useless ways to sell a product Ive yet to see. If they were doing that why not just use small cards to sell with the activation code? Or does the box include a user manual?

>>24628
Who else is doing it? Might be a response to how many laptops lack a disc drive now.

>>24637
Even more useless when you realize that the software this is meant to be for isn't even out yet and there's a chance that it won't come out in the first place

>>24637
>Might be a response to how many laptops lack a disc drive now.
Such a stupid change. Who's the smartass who decided that disc drives were obsolete?.

>>24639
I do not like ot either. I could explain more but this is getting into enshitification thread territory.

>>24559
Tbh I fully expect this to happen.

>>24595
No, PowerFX would have the power to do that, and as we know PFX is out of the business.

>>24637
Crypton, 1st Place, anyone on VoiSona with a physical, Voicemith, and a handful of others on V6. So it’s 100% related to the lack of disc drives. That said some of the companies at least include merchandise to make up for the lack of disc like VoiSona. Then of course you have the SV2 physicals that have a disc but are pointless to begin with because you have to download the bank from the cloud in editor anyways.

>>24641
They should do what they did with the PS3 port of Portal 2 where it included a disc for your PS3 and a code so you could have it on Steam as well.

>>24642
This is basically the case for some physicals with discs these days. If you reach out to support as well, usually they’re happy to send the respective installer as well. So it’s possible to get away with not using the disc at all before factoring in fan managed archives. Basically these days it’s more about having a physical backup more than anything.

>>24628
Some people buy the boxes just to have them and don't do anything with it

>>24649
I hate that so much

Just saw on VocaDB that Ruby's site is gone. Is it actually over?

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>>24835
I had to go look myself and see what you mean. The domain is indeed expired. Vrilliant was assumed who’d be handling Ann and Al too.

I’m not entirely certain what happened here. I do have a few ideas ranging from simply not renewing the domain to a company shut down but after the announcement I’d be surprised that they didn’t leave a statement.

There is one particular thing I am aware of that could very well be a factor, however I’m not sure if I should divulge…

At the rate things are deteriorating I am actually praying this project gets cancelled… It feels like every bit of new information that surfaces, public or not, just screams worse than hell.

Really hate saying I just keep loosing faith atp… As much as I’d like my stuff, I’d like my money back too but I’m not expecting a refund anytime soon…

>>24835
>>24836
If only you knew how bad things really are

>>24837
Don't worry you'll get an empty box

>>24836
I think this happens during acquisitions sometimes so that may also be possible but usually announcements are made for those.

>>24844
There was a bunch of corporate restructuring once the original team left. Best case scenario would be Vrilliant merging with Oliver's team, I guess? It's not looking good tho

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>>24835

>>24848
Worst case is vaporware scam

How long has the site been down for?

>>24851
Not sure, haven't seen anyone else report it. I'd be willing to bet that it happened while the thread was dead.

Maybe Maghni AI was the friends we made along the way

>>24853
What thread? This one?

>>24836
What's Vrilliant?

>>24838
Believe me when I say I have a better idea that it seems…😓There’s just a lot I don’t say because I don’t want to get people in trouble.

>>24848
This bit is a good example as to what I was alluding to because it didn’t just affect Ruby but actually affects Oliver as well, so merging isn’t necessarily the solution here.

>>24873
The dev team/company (not sure if registered as one), in charge of the Maghni version of Ruby aka Rvby.

I am very much at odds with myself because on one hand I do feel it’s important that people know as it’s becoming more and more relevant as time progresses but also I don’t want to get friends who are dear to me in trouble.

It is really tearing me apart, so if there is anyone on the Maghni team reading this (and I hope one of them are reading this), please come forward and share all the problems behind the scenes that are halting further developments, updates, and keeping everyone silent. I really can’t take this anymore and it’s driving me crazy and tearing me apart. It went from too much transparency to none at all. It’s been almost 6 years, it’s time for the veil to break. I am on my knees…🙏😓

>>24875
I don't think a Maghni employee would go on 39chan of all places. Though at the same time if they did they could possibly get away with spilling the beans since a lot of "important" people use 4chan in similar ways, to reveal confidential stuff and leak source codes, etc. It's be a matter of choosing to believe the anon or not.

>>24875
Why do you think any of them are here?

>>24876
>>24877
NTA but just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it can't

>>24876
It would be pretty hard to remain anon when Maghni is like, five people

>>24835
I feel bad for Rubybros

>>24877
Idk if any of them would be here or not, all I can say is a good handful of these people have been fans as long as me but partook in older fandom spaces like VO.

It’s also like, I know very well that some vsynth devs (globally, not specifically western) actually do lurk a lot more fandom spaces than we often realize. So it’s more an off-chance and sort of vent type thing. I’m just tired…

>>24910
I feel like 39chan's a bit niche for it to be noticed by the big names but the creator of Neru himself is a frequent poster here so idk, I could be wrong.

>>24879
I wouldn’t say 5. It is still a small team. Idk how many are currently part of the team and who’s left for sure and who’s stayed on, but the number of people actively working keeps changing. So there is a chance that if a team member were to come forward it could be someone who isn’t publicly known and only the team could narrow it down.

It’s pretty easy to tell a majority of the issues boils down to poor management just from a surface level perspective. I can’t say which people have left, but there have been public faces that have left according to my own reliable sources. I don’t remember if it was mentioned in this thread before by myself or someone else but I recall back in October when people started getting vocal about things, that some people who were previously commissioned by the team stated the programmer (who I believe is still listed on the site) left the company.

>>24912
It's not as obscure and niche as some people here make it seem. A small part of the western fandom is already aware of the Leekaloids even if they don't post here (similar to how we know the Vipperloids but don't post on 2ch). Hioka has also done two Q&As here which has made the site more "visible" in a way.
Besides 39chan doesn't have the same rep as other imageboards like 4chan where it's generally seen as this evil hideout for nazis and fappers so it's probably more accessible to people who normally don't use these types of sites.

>>24914
I learned about 39 after I heard about Canon mentioning recording naked in that one q&a and after I lurked as an anon for a good while I got the vibe that we were all old coots in terms of vocafans who just wanted a comfy place to properly converse about our favourite subject. That alone is much more attractive than some other spaces these days.

>>24914
I don't doubt that some important people lurk this site but they're unlikely to post. I do think it would be funny if they pull a Trevor Moore and show up under a thread talking about them lol.

>>24995
>Trevor Moore
What did Trevor do

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>>25042
Randomly showed up in a thread about himself on 4chan back in the day. It was likely some sort of promotional stunt but it's still funny.

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>>24558
>physical voicebank
>look inside
>paper

>>27393
Many such cases, unfortunately

>>27394
Many such cases, not many such discs.

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>>27395
Not many disc drives either.
I still think that's one of the dumbest design trends in recent times. Getting rid of something useful that's been there since the dawn of time.

>>24849
Add Oliver, Ann and Al

Let it burn.

I don't like being this way, but if this company isn't gonna take it seriously, I might as well become that angry backer who wants their money back.
https://vocalsynthretailers.wordpress.com/2026/07/13/an-open-letter-to-both-current-and-former-maghni-ai-teams/

>>30252
I understand that this letter is for the parties involved but maybe it would have been better if you made it a Twitter thread

>>30254
Nah, I don’t pay for twitter and putting everything here in a thread would be exhausting.

To add a bit of extra reasoning, while I could have also written a google doc, given the situation and how google docs have a bit of a reputation, I decided to ultimately publish it on my blog instead. It’s unconventional, but rather this than chicken jockey google dockey.

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Dev updates. tl;dr:
>vocatone is ghosting everyone
>maghni delayed again because vocatone didn't transfer the entire codebase
>current devs can't process refunds, only vocatone
>engine will be partially open-sourced but isn't cancelled, yet
>aurum is still in development and will probably retain his old VP

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>>30269

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>>30269
>>30270
Normally i'd yell at you for Xittercaps but this just makes me sad. At least we know it's not cancelled, but jesus this whole situation sucks

>>30269
>>30270
tl;dr: vocatone has the entire team by the balls

>>30269
I'm so confused. Who owns Vocatone? Why were they ever involved?

>>30271
Unfortunately this really is the most substantial update we've gotten in a year

>>30274
https://vocadb.net/ar/11779

>>30274
It's just the same Vocaloid era dev team. They went independent and co-created the engine because they wanted full creative control over their work. Now it's turned into them having too much responsibility over stuff they can't handle

So update: since I published my letter, I’ve since been reached out to by a couple with more information.

I will likely be working on some way to disclose it all, however it gets so much worse and how it got this way is ridiculous.

To put it simply though, the drama from within the companies is ridiculous. It makes me question why this has gotten to the point it has.

>>30280
According to the information I received, supposedly not anymore.

>>30283
>>30284
Maybe keep it on twitter, we dont need gossip posts

>>30283
huh

>>30285
It is beyond gossip at this point.

It is no longer potential fraud. We’re looking at a claim of full embezzlement.

People have already paid money.

>>30288
into the iceberg it goes

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>>30283
>>30288
It all returns to nothing
It all comes tumbling down
Tumbling down, tumbling down

>>30288
it's cuz you called it drama

>>30283
I'm not surprised but i still feel bad for all the anons early in the thread who were still optimistic about the project, and especially those who actually spent money on it

>>30288
I'm not writing it off or anything but I don't think vagueposting is going to help

>>30294
I said there was internal drama, I never called the whole situation drama.

>>30304
It’s mostly that I’m not sure how to express it all without getting those who reached out to me in any particular trouble.

Personally I wish they would come forward themselves and spill everything instead of me bearing it all.

I do apologize for my vagueness.

I will offer a bit more information. In regard to what I have said regarding embezzlement, there is a chance that the respective parties are not being entirely honest about why their programmer left. The claim I have received implies that the original programmer did not simply leave by choice or as a result of completed contract, but because he was being deported. Of course I am not sure how honest they are, but frankly when it comes to Maghni it feels like there’s lies everywhere, but they implicate the money went to trying to keep him in the country rather than towards finishing the project.

so the tl;dr is that absolutely everyone involved with project including those who contributed to the kickstarter got fucked in the ass by vocatone?

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>>30310
>the programmer was being deported
What the fuck?
I... guess that might technically be a relevant expense? I don't know how it would compare to replacing him.

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It might be over, but remember it can always be more over

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Close enough, welcome back Stella

>>30285
Our stance on that type of content remains clear and unchanged. I see this thread as actual news rather than pointless drama about a specific individual in the community, so I’m keeping it up for now. That said, if it devolves into personal drama, I’ll lock it.

tl;dr: if you turn this thread into twitter drama you'll get b&

>>30316
Respectable and based.

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Came here right after seeing the shitstorm on Vocaverse

>>30320
I'm glad we all agree that this is fucked up

Something tells me there's gonna be a long youtube video about this in the future

I feel bad for Vocatart, he was basically a kid when getting involved with all of this, and it's nice he's sharing their code, though I'm not sure what anyone can do with it lol

At this point Maghni AI feels like the Postal 3 of Vocalsynths. Overambitious, switched teams like 2 or 3 times and will most likely release in a bad state.

Natalia made a statement. I’ll link directly to the doc. It clears up a lot of what my informant told me yesterday, especially with the deportation matter and supposed embezzlement. Most importantly, she has stated the amount of money she personally invested into the project. Over $200k before the deportation matter and more after the crowdfund payment.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rkT8tnRTWai7q8PLmzAmWOAZr97uUuC9LiMlX_LVzGs/mobilebasic

>>30471
Not reading a Xitterdoc
What does this mean for Maghni AI as a whole?

>>30471
This is extremely cursed.
>>30472
It seems like the one guy programming it was a college student who ghosted everyone so it’s probably fucked.

>>30471
Safe to say the project is fucked

At this point wouldn’t it be better to, like, take the rights for the Engloid characters/their voice samples and train them for an existing engine? Sure it would remove any possibility of profit off a novel voice engine, but that’s the part that’s really fucked, and I’m not convinced there’s much value there, even compared to free/open source engines.

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>>30476
I just want my son back

>>30476
this. and release ruby DS while we're at it.

>>30472
Like others stated, the project is essentially fucked. I can’t say what exactly will happen with the current team but there’s a lot that Austin and VocaTone has to speak for.

Right now it seems both the current team and Backers will need to put pressure on him to respond and hopefully get people their money back, even if he has nothing.

It's so oliover

I don't really like the new Oliver voicebank. It sounds too American when Oli is canonically a Brit. So i don't mind that we're not getting it but it does suck for the other PFXloids.

It’s deeply unfortunate since I think if they had done a dual DS/Vocaloid release or even SynthV or something they would’ve been better off, both financially and honestly in terms of usability.

>>30484
yall need to sue imo

>>30490
He’s got the December deadline before it moves forward, but this will be supplemental.

>>30487
I wish there was much developed in terms of technology for British English vocals in general too considering you basically need to change a bunch of phonemes for certain sound pronunciations for it to sound like the proper accent (Based on my own attempts with making an English UTAU while having a British accent anyways). I would love a new British sounding VB in the big '26 in general.

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>>30471
Jesus christ. This is why you don't start a company without a finance department.

>>30487
Maghni isn't cancelled (yet). Best case scenario is that we'll get a few of the voicebanks extremely late.

https://x.com/ccodaze/status/2077096202206674962 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

you can ask questions and they're gonna reply in the blogpost on maghni website

>>30502
is this a dev

>>30503
Yeah he did a q&a back in 2023

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I hear Sony's taking notes from the Vocatone team

Another statement from one of the people who did videos for them.

Sorry, it is a Xitter link. I think we're probably gonna see a lot more statements.

The bulk is more information linking the IndieGoGo campaign to the old programmer being deported and apparently, RVC was used for one of Oliver's demo videos.

https://x.com/SUZlE_P/status/2077173375458250969 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

>>30506
>RVC was used for one of Oliver's demo videos
dang he's not even real

>>30506
How does it manage to get even worse

>>30507
This really is just Stella 2.0 huh?

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This has to be the most depressing thread on /leek/. That small, remaining bit of optimism, vanished in less than 24 hours. And it just gets worse as the thread progresses.
To those who gave the project their money, you deserve better.

can't wait for the suwawako video about this kek

>>30506
Unfortunately I do not have a Twitter so I can't check the thread, but...
>>30507
They really did the Shiki Rowen thing???? So it was a scam this whole time, that's actually heartbreaking especially when some people really wanted it to be real and poured their life savings into it.

>>30513
Yes, but no, but yes

I feel we’re gonna have a lot of this back and forth.

The music in this thread scared the shit out of me

Good one mods

>>30515
I love it, and the fire effects

mods = gods holy shit lol

why do i hear the end of evangelion theme when i enter this thread lol

>>30518
oh its mods fucking around

>>30518
Because the thread's on fire, just like Maghni itself

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put me in the screencap

Based mods

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I HAVE FAITH IN MY MODS!

can someone give a quick rundown of whatever the hell's going on?
>inb4 read the thread

>>30524
The tl;dr is that Vocatone is an awful company

>>10610
And crash and burn it did...

>>30524
Maghni AI went from passion project to being a total scam basically, and >>30525

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this thread was a wild read. worst day to be an oliver fan.

i'll miss this lil guy and fuck vocatone for essentially killing him TWICE.

>>30509
This is more unethical than Stella ever was

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>>30509
Stella will be in Maghni AI

>>30529
honestly she doesn't even feel out of place

My expectations were already extremely low and yet I'm still disappointed

>>30533
same here

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fly high angel.....

>>30539
mods please use this

>>30539
You guys work fast

>>30506
>RVC was used for one of Oliver's demo videos
[somber laugh]

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Maghni 2027. Trust the plan.

>>30547
I'll be shocked if they release anything at all. And by that i mean anything that isn't some google doc from a former employee accusing them of treating them like shit.

>>30540
it has been done

>>30539
If this is original you should publish it on youtube

>>30539
i like how i can tell exactly where you gave up and filled the rest of the lyrics with "lolololo"

>>30548
lmao

LMAO MODS WHAT IS THE FIRE AND OLI'S SINGING OMG

>>30564
Very representative of the current state of things

>>30529
Ironic that her silhouette actually fits with the rest

>>11561
It already failed, which implies the ENGloids are officially fucking dead

>>30564
The mods on 4chan do this kind of stuff all the time. Last year during The Game Awards they made the Valve logo sound play to troll people.

But i'm both surprised and pleased to see the mods here doing this kind of stuff too

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>>30566

>>30570
kek

Zero-G please save us

>>30570
fantastic edit on the truck number

>>30574
i didn't even notice it at first glance

>>30572
>Zero-G
They haven't cared about vocaloid in a loooong time. The original lineup of engloids is basically dead now.

>>30568
I guess you could call it the end of an era

Half Life 3 of vsynths

The EN scene might be on fire right now but this thread felt oddly nostalgic. I haven't seen a controversy this big since the 2010's.

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always knew something weird was going on with maghni, but i didn't want to doompost that much about it...

>>30580
This place is haunted by the ghosts of VO

>>30570
Lmao

>>30576
I’m not sure if this is still true but they were considering coming on for Maghni AI years ago.

Now of course, well…

>>30602
Where did this come from?

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>>30602

>>30603
Conversation with Natalia years ago.

Like I said, things could have changed since then so they probably wouldn’t be moving forward even if this chaos didn’t happen.

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>>30610
>Zero G wants to make Sonika for V4
>Yamaha kills V4 and makes V5
>Zero G wants to make Sonika for Maghni AI
>VocaTone kills Maghni AI along with their own reputation
I hate being a Sonika fan

>>30611
Maybe one day we'll get good Sonika news.

Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again

>>30611
And now her country got eliminated from the world cup

>>30610
You know things

>>30613
Sure

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Vocatone's CEO stepped down. There's an assload of personal and financial drama in there but here are some relevant parts

>>30645
I'm tired boss

>>30645
>wow this sounds so good
>it's synth v with rvc
🧍‍♂️

>>30645
>”shortcuts”
>we decided to spoof samples
Man…
These guys really should’ve changed direction earlier.

Lol I went to check their channel to see what video had Oliver and piano roll in it and they deleted all their maghni videos
https://www.youtube.com/@VocatoneOfficial/videos

>>30649
sorry except 1

>>30645
it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dooown

So in layman's terms Maghni AI was a group of people who wanted to make a vocal-synth engine without the knowledge or money required to make a vocal-synth engine so now it's officially cancelled and never coming out?

>>30652
Well, they got the money, although that’s gone now. Really they needed knowledge and business skill.

>>30645
so it's not happening huh

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>>30647
It's explained a little later that it was mainly imported SVP data being rendered in Maghni. Not a lot better but it's not a complete hoax, at least

>>30652
All of this except it's somehow not cancelled

>>30656
Allow me to doubt that for a sec

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>>30656
>except it's somehow not cancelled

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>>30657
From Natalia's latest post, for instance

>>30659
i'm pretty lost at this point

>>30658
Never lose hope sonikabros

>>30661
Not sure how much this helps, but the creators left a year ago and threw the project onto the other staff members. They've been in development hell since August trying to correct all of the issues. Right now it's mostly a back-and-forth between the two former leads about who fucked up more.

Oh yeah, an official statement went up
https://maghni.ai/blog/statement-jul-15-26

Let's make our own vocal synth engine with blackjack and hookers

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>>30667

>>30645
This really does feel like if the Stella and Shiki Rowen situations were part of a big crowdfunder, it's so grim. Can't say I'm shocked it will never release, though.

>>30674
even if it releases the reputation is too tainted

Truly the "Duke Nukem Forever" of vocal-synths
Except Duke Nukem Forever actually came out even if it took 15 whole years and came out in a very unfinished, broken state

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>>30675
I'll buy it. Let's break the single digits.

>>30669
Sure but you're paying for it

>>30624
I did say so, but also I only knew a fraction of all this. It’s much worse than I knew.

>>30669
It is literally just this.

My biggest upset is that now it’s actually becoming a matter of pointing fingers rather than actually finding a solution. Crescendia still has a Q&A on the way so there’s still more to come.

Austin stepping down does not absolve him of responsibilities, and he’s still the one who has all the packages as well so if he steps down he needs to remain in constant contact with Crossy to coordinate.

I hope Crossy can communicate a plan that allows for refunds because this is getting to a point where a solution isn’t actually being made, but avoided.

>>30683
If they deliver on their promises i will too but for now i'm skeptical

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Very old Oliver AI audio. They just posted this to show what raw output was like back then

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>>30733

>>30733
No wonder they scammed people with him, holy fuck this is awful. I had an actual early Diff-SVC bank before it split into Diffsincer/RVC that sounded far better than this. And that was still rough!

>>30733
why is this so scary i was gonna sleep

>>30733
Are we sure this is oliver and not a zombie

>>30733
Demon possessed Oliver is hilarious sounding.

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zombie oliver but i enhanced the audio, you're welcome

The Sawtowne remix of Dinky Dink is no longer on Youtube so the only way you can listen to it now is on the 39chan radio lol

>>30749
Needs some death-doom metal instrumentals now

>>30749
Cannibal Corpse sounds like this

>>30750
Did they ever say why they took all the videos down if allegedly only one uses rvc

>>30733
This is hilarious

>>30733
why is he burping... oliver i thought you had good manners

https://youtube.com/watch?v=gNhN6lT-y5U

>>30769
he's just singing his favorite song

We revived Oliver’s remains as an American and he came back wrong

https://youtube.com/watch?v=cK8fhkb7Rxc

>>30750
found out they just unlisted it but probably best to grab whatever from their channel before its gone

>>30772
https://files.catbox.moe/ao1qj9.mp4
If somebody wants to upload it to the internet archive be my guest

>>30773
Also here's the title/desc just in case

Oliver AI - Dinky Dink (SAWTOWNE Remix)
Feb 29, 2024
We are back with a cheerful, silly, and familiar demonstration of the current version of Oliver AI, (v.0.6) in our prototype (v.0.7.1) Maghni AI engine!

Song Title: Dinky Dink No Time To Think
Song: Sopop (originally sung by Sonika)
Remix: ‪@SAWTOWNE‬
Art/PV: crossyloid & HolyArapaima

-- More About Maghni AI --
https://www.vocatone.studio
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ma...

-- Follow Us! --
/ vocatone
/ www
https://staging.bsky.app/profile/voca...
/ vocatone

Realistically what is stopping them from making a SynthV?

>>30782
I would have gladly accepted an Oliver SynthV. If my memory is correct it takes $50,000 in order to get the license to make one, so really, it is confusing why they crowdfunded a new engine and not a new voicebank of choice, then went back and made some other SynthV banks if they had the rights to do so and the funds. Eclipsed Sounds managed to pull it off.

>>30786
Because they wanted to make their own engine with blackjack and hookers.

Another day, another lengthy blogpost
This has to be the biggest disaster I've seen in this community since Stella, and Stella was already pretty bad but not to this extent

At this point just kill the project and release a Synth V. It's the least you can do, really, the bare minimum.

>>30803
This

>>30786
They really should’ve made this move when they learned the programmer was set to be deported. Maybe there are licensing issues involved but frankly I think it’s the best outcome, maybe even better than having the Engloids on their own special synth

https://x.com/VocaTone/status/2078203559330419096 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

didn't see this posted, it's about refunds, the language is weird
i guess you need to fill the request as soon as possible before they send you an empty box lol

>>30816
>refunds
So it's officially over then? No more Maghni or Vocatone?

>>30817
i think it's about physical rewards specifically
>If you submit a refund request through our form, your reward package will be securely stored. Should you later change your mind and decide to cancel your refund request, you may still receive your shipment after 2027.
idk it's weird

>>30817
If not then it should be. It just gets to a point man.

mods did it again lol

>>30820
HAHAHAHA

Ok cool joke mods but what's the song

>>30823
Over Now by Alice in Chains

>>30824
>Could you stand right there, look me straight in the eye and say that it's over now?
Me too, mods, me too

If Oliverbro still uses this site, I wonder how they feel about everything that's been going on

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>>30826
>we pay our debt sometime

>>30828
I'm not him but I love Oliver and its been painful

>>30829
Mods have an interesting sense of humor

https://x.com/NataliaShmueli/status/2078252838225092810 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

Natalia responded to vocatone's statement abt refunds
TLDR:
>The form does not actually state that VocaTone will issue a refund.
>Vocatone might be violating a bunch of laws with their last statement
>Backers should submit a complaint directly to relevant authorities
>"Those questions can now be evaluated by Indiegogo, the relevant consumer-protection agencies, attorneys, and, if necessary, a court."

>>30837
Every time I ask myself if it can get any worse the answer is always yes. What an absolute fucking shitshow.

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hi i'm posting from 2027, my merch finally arrived! never lose hope bros

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Mods I was reading lmao

>>30837
Gonna take a moment to add on. I have been communicating with Natalia and in the event I need additional information for a case, I am able to access it.

I won’t delve into my own thoughts rn, still pretty furious, but yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if VocaTone closes shop from this. Whatever they try to do at this point, they are legally fucked.

That’s the sum of the news from my end that I can offer atm. This is the best statement we have so far.

>>30845
At this point i don't even know who to trust and i'm gonna keep it that way until either party just says "Maghni AI is done" or "Maghni AI is still being worked on"

It would be for the best if development ceased and they issued refunds, honestly, because this situation just keeps getting worse and worse for everybody involved and it's also a legal nightmare

>>30845
Ideally any refunds would have been processed before people invested $200k of personal funds. I wouldn’t imagine there’s any money left to refund with.

>>30848
Ye, I get that. Crescendia has confirmed they will still be working on it but at this rate I would not be surprised if some banks get scrapped and there’s a full rebrand. Legally it is on VocaTone to issue the refund as they are the main company attached to the project. Even with all this information though, it’s been a shit fest and hard to follow. I don’t blame you for just waiting for a conclusion to be reached.

>>30851
The $200k that was spent was spent before the crowdfund started so I believe you might have gotten the timeline confused. However they come up with the funds doesn’t really matter as long as backers get refunded. I understand there’s a lot of people saying they likely don’t have the money anymore but even then they are still liable. If by comparison another company can offer refunds, then they can come up with an actual plan. Either way, the current case being built will be against VocaTone if they don’t payout.

>>30252
The post that started it all

Big update. The new version of Maghni might rebrand into a new synth, among other things.
https://maghni.ai/blog/q-and-a-jul-16-26

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We have 3 survivors

>>31076
>no oliver
*sigh*

>>31076
Insert Sonika despair image here

>>31076
So they're just done with Oliver now? The boxes were a lie?

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>>31081

>>31084
Zero-G has the chance to do something really funny right now

>>31084
>>31081
Basically postponed indefinitely. So not scrapped but might as well be. Makes refunds even more a necessity.

>>31075
Surprised a rebrand didn’t happen sooner. It’s for the best atp.

Sucks for Oliver but at least I still got a copy of him. Idek if I’ll want to use it after the rebrand yet… Hopefully someone decides to issue refunds soon.

>>31089
If you're the one who got the empty box with paper then i feel bad for you

>>31086
Mate, i think the world will end before Zero G decides to ever touch vocal synthesis again

>>31076
So tl;dr: Natalia and Austin no longer involved, Oliver's demo indeed used RVC, Crescendia and VocaTone are no longer involved and Maghni is rebranding

>>31091
It has gotten to a point where i believe that Vox Software on Maghni AI is more likely than Zero G

>>31093
as someone who's in vox, no one has ever reached out to us for a commercial vocal synth kek, i dont see it happening at all

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>>31091
The dream never dies

Everybody ITT talks about Sonika but I'm more interested in a new Miriam, especially considering her voice provider wants it to happen

>>31092
I hope they can eventually get their shit together. As cool as it is to get Ruby and two new characters on a new engine, Oliver is why people were interested in Maghni when it was announced.

>>31099
The dream died in 2018

>>31090
Well I did pay for a box

Paid for a digital copy of Aurum as well so uh yeah, I better be getting that refund.

>>31111
Indefinitely delayed as noted by >>31084

>>31113
my bad I can't read

>>31112
With Maghni being more "indie" than other vocal synths I hope they eventually revert this decision and actually use CDs

>>31115
>Here's a little CD box
>Inside of it should be a brand new voice
>Own nothing, be happy
*to the tune of Don't worry, Be happy*

>>31118
made me lol thanks anon

>>31084
Not surprised given that VocaTone is on the verge of folding. Maybe their plan is to buy the character rights first.

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So it's like this now?

>>31105
Fun fact: if they ever make a new Miriam voicebank, she would break Sachiko's record for oldest VP

>>31130
Are you implying Oli will inevitably die with VT?

>>31140
No, the opposite. Crescendia might try to buy him and the others to prevent that from happening.

>>31092
Crescendia is still involved i believe

>>31134
I'm okay with this. More old lady loids please.

>>31149
old men are fine too. looking at you AL.

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>>31150
>old men are fine too
right

>>31142
They might not even get the chance to complete the transfer now. Can’t say much right now but VT just fucked themselves really bad.

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>>31167
Bro you'd better make sure they do it

>>31168
Not in my power sadly. I’m just hoping I get my money back after this.

>>31167
I'm injecting that last bit of hopium into my veins like its heroin

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1k8craCGpgs

>>31173
Everything will be okay anons, trust

Your fortune: Good Luck

>>31179
requesting an oliver cover of this

>>31167
How do you know this

>>31240
She's been in contact with Natalia.

>>31243
Tako is a girl???

>>31246
You didn't know this?

>>31243
At the moment i don't trusr either of the former project leads tbh

>>31246
Think a majority of the people here are

>>31246
This has become a normal reaction in this regard

>>31251
Honestly I think it’s completely fair not to trust anyone on the team. Even I don’t completely trust everyone. I feel there’s a lot I still don’t know. Whether or not I need to know though is a different can of worms. I only feel any of us should know are the business sides of things.

>>31133
How do you even known who the unknown vocals are?
I can identify Ann and AL because of the hair but who are the rest?

>>31305
Tmk they’re all new characters outside of Ann and Al, though I think one of them might have been an existing Utau. Can’t remember the name tho. This is all just guess work. I believe the vocals from AltVox are still on record to be developed at some point. I’d need to check the q and a again.

>>31252
i always viewed vocaloid as a female centered fandom. Not counting Miku simps tho

>>31339
I think that in Japan it's more male centered but in the west its the opposite

>>31325
Yeah, they confirmed AltVox is still there. Zero clue about the ones with no name or company, but since we already know all of the surviving third parties, they're most likely gone.

>>31342
I don't think it's ever been particularly gender-specific tbh. Just depends on what corners you're in.

>>31352
This is what I was thinking. Every gender neutral fandom I've ever been in has had male-leaning and female-leaning etc pockets of their communities and Vocaloid seems no different from what I can tell.

>>31351
Who else aside from Vocatone

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>>31356
It's these four. They're Sawtowne's company, Ruby's company, the Japanese fujo TTS company, and the one with three voicebanks no one knows about.

>>31369
I didn't even know Sawtowne had a company

>>31370
It only exists so he can keep the character rights and handle merch afaik

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>>31133

>>31379
Sonika is fucking dead again

>>31383
Can't kill something that never lived

>>31379
It's Gumi

Who owns Maghni AI now that the og project leads are gone?

>>31424
Crescendia, which is more or less the same dev team working without them

>>31369
>Japanese fujo TTS company
Who

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We could've had Kanane on Maghni

>>10615
Hope this happens because it would be hilarious

new maghni blogpost
https://maghni.ai/blog/designing-maghni-gui-2

>>32002
Oliver?

>>32003
It's a placeholder if i had to guess

>>32004
that or it was a screenshot taken before his voicebank was cancelled

>>31678
You know, it'd be interesting if we revived her like we're doing with Denne Hibiki

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZAeZy1cCk0A

>>30331
Took a while but here

>>32044
The "Dashcon" of vocal synths

>>32047
hey at least dashcon happened

RVBY Diffsinger was seen

https://x.com/Mishakeet/status/2083712662391992704 [Embed]

Show the video in this Twitter/X post

>>32075
I wish she'd release it but i know she legally can't

>>32081
sit down and wait patiently for maghni like the rest of us

>>32085
>implying maghni will ever come out

>>31678
Who says we need Maghni? We can update her ourselves, with the CVVC reverse method and drawanons

>>32133
Challenge accepted

>>32135
>>32133
woah man

>>33080
I'm glad something good was able to come out of this depressing thread

Been a while. What ended up happening to the project after all that shitshow with Vocatone and the two leads quitting?. Is it still being worked on?.

>>33083
Somehow, yeah

bit unrelated but was it ever discovered who voiced oliver? people say its someone doing an oliver impression but where did they even get this information from?

>>33095
I don't think the identity of the voice provider was ever actually found but I remember the Maghni team confirming that the new Oliver wasn't voiced by a child years ago on Twitter if not Youtube.

>>33095
>>33096
Early on, back in 2020, people found a comment from VocaTone that was only a few days old at the time, on a YouTube video of someone doing their impression of Oliver.

Unfortunately I’m struggling to find the video now, but they’re on occasion referred to as “OliVA”. Of course the original V3 VP is anonymous since they were an actual child but supposedly they did professional voiceover according to a dl VocaTone staff.

>>33097
Finally found something shortly after posting this lol, according to reddit they scrubbed their online presence in 2024. That explains why I couldn’t find the video in question.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vocaloid/comments/1akcphl/poetry_monster_oliva_vocaloid_related_lost_media/

>>33099
oh wow that is very close

>>33083
Last update made it seems like they're still working on it but the pic they posted gives me the idea that its actually and old screenshot and not much progress has been made.

>>33103
Shit, my phone butchered this post
<seem*
<an*

>>33103
Truth is that no one knows lol

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Even when things seem bleak i still have a small bit of hope left inside of me. I want to see him again.

>>33151
anon...

>>33083
Yes, and somehow Ruby survived too

>>33166
We'll see about that. There's no proof that its still in development. They said they'll continue working on it but can you really trust them after all this fiasco?.

>>30840
You should've replaced the text with a "fuck you" tbh

>>30749
Yabba my icing

Have we had any updates on the Maghni situation recently?

>>34066
Not much. There's lawyers involved now. Devs promised they wouldn't ghost us again, so we should be due for another update soon, but who knows.

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>>31561
Oops I thought I replied to this
The guys who developed Genbu for SynthV have a whole series of male voicebanks

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>>34070
>we should be due for another update soon

>>34070
>There's lawyers involved now.
Probably 2-3 years too late

>>34070
I want RVBY :(

Idk. Id have more hope if i didnt know the current team basically RVC fabricated the Oliver demos because the actual results were "unsatisfactory". Considering we dont have any actual examples of their capabilities, even if it does come out, will it be good enough to justify spending money on it as opposed to just getting the old voicebanks?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8DmjiG1p-Y4

>>34093
The other demos were real, right? Even if they're not using this engine anymore

>>34095
Out of all the maghnis I think Ruby is the one i'm looking forward to the most. I've been wanting a new Ruby voicebank ever since i heard the Diffsinger.

>>34125
Considering Ruby's voice provider most likely lurks this site (especially after Sora mentioned it to her). In the off chance you see this, is there an actual reason why the DS hasn't been released? Copyright, licensing?

>>34129
I'm not her but it's most certainly the licensing and the fact that the DiffSinger was trained on data from the Vocaloid era, or at least that's what i've heard

>>34131
It's this

>>34129
It's definitely the licensing. I assume she could get away with re-recording her and releasing her under a different name though. But at that point it wouldn't be Ruby, yk.

>>34724
It's a bit more complicated. like >>34131 said, she was trained using the V4 data, making things tricky to begin with but the licensing is funny. To my understanding, Misha and Syo should have the full rights, but there are some other things behind the scenes that could complicate things, and that's before the mess everyone is already in with each other.

I think I mentioned before how Bil is still lurking around in another thread. Long story short, there's a chance everyone may have been scammed behind the scenes for character IP rights because someone thought reaching out to Bil would be a good idea despite Bil having no power to give them the rights.

I originally wasn't going to say it, but yeah. Even if they got Maghni off the ground, there was always a chance they could get sued because of Bil's surprise involvement.

>>34732
If y'all do want a bit more info on how I managed to get this, I'm happy to share as much as I can, but I think this explains the matter enough.