I feel like they’ll be using LEDs until some more advanced technology comes out. I’ve heard of shows using transparent screens that would be fine. The holograms are probably too much trouble outside Japan.

>>889
>The holograms are probably too much trouble outside Japan
How so? They've used them for decades up until Expo 2024

>>890
The take I've heard is that the US holograms were always kind of jank/cheaper compared to JP, and for the most recent Expos, they've expanded the number of venues so that there's less time to set up and more complexity involved. In general it feels like there's more Western demand than the showrunners can handle and they're a little stretched thin. Makes me think of how they keep understocking the pen lights too.

>>891
Does that mean Miku / PJSK are a money sink for Crypton? There's no way they wouldn't be able to afford even the cheaper holograms

They used LEDs for the Asian tour last year as well.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=FhvL0qqvZPY

If i had to guess, expo 2026 will look like this
Screen again except longer

I would still much prefer a hologram but the recent Deco Miku concert made great use of the screens so if they're used in creative ways like that i welcome them

>>892
Not Miku/PJSK, but the concerts maybe. If I had to guess, I'd guess they're designed to break even.
>>894
This would be basically fine. As long as they don't have a 16:9 black box with a fireworks display behind it.

I think they should at the very least try to hide that it's a big black box. You can tell where the screen begins and where it ends with all the lights behind it.

>>890
I wouldn’t say it’s necessarily more a hassle but more so a time thing. Considering how tight they make their tour schedule outside Japan, they don’t have as much time to set up, calibrate, and take down the set up. If the hologram isn’t calibrated right, the whole concert would look weird and they can’t fix it mid-concert. This has actually happened at a Miku Expo event before and while people still had fun, half of the projection was messed up. For the LEDs, while there was an error or two, they could potentially fix any problems during the event if needed.

When they’re in Japan, they usually have things a bit more spaced out so they have more time to make sure things look right. They have used the LED screens at a handful of concerts, but like another anon said before, I wouldn’t be surprised if eventually they fully transition to LEDs.

I wonder why they don't use a curved screen.

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I wish they would do a concert at the Sphere in Las Vegas which is basically covered in small LEDs but that's never happening lol

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>>991
People like the hologram because it gives the illusion that Miku is actually there. I don't know how the screen compares but ideally it should give that same illusion.

>>999
If they can't even get massive artists there i doubt they'll get Miku. But i guess a man can dream.

>>1007
Honestly barely any of the artists who've performed at the Sphere stand out because of their visuals. When I think of music with cool visuals I think of bands like Tool not U2. But at the end of the day it's not us who choose who gets to perform there. A Miku concert there would definitely be life changing though.

>>1006
IA has used LEDs before, I don't think anyone was complaining. I guess it looks good for the audience as long as you don't have any seats on the sides. Problem with Miku concerts is that they are bigger in scale so they need those side seats to ensure everyone can watch, and those people will see through the illusion.

Teto Live used a screen too last year if I'm not mistaken but that concert was way smaller

>>999
It looks cool outside but inside it's pretty ordinary. Apparently you can buy spherical LED screens
https://www.rtledsolution.com/news/what-is-sphere-led-screen/

>>1011
It was also crowdfunded so it was probably more budget friendly.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ljych7ZnlLg

>>1013
No it does look cool as fuck on the inside as well

>>1016
Was difficult to tell from photos. Are they LEDs too or are they just using projectors?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=j7R3xye_Jus

>>1018
If you're talking about the Sphere I think it's an entire wall covered in small LEDs. The Phish shows in particular had some very beautiful visuals.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Y4qvGdtwLVQ

>>1019
Here's another cool one from the U2 concert

As much as i'd love a sphere concert it's never gonna happen because it probably costs a lot and you know Crypton. Plus the Sphere has only hosted boomer bands so far.

So for us who have been waiting to see the hologram but haven't had the chance are fan concerts and Magical Mirais our only option now? I highly doubt they're going to bring them back for Expo 2026

>>1031
Pretty much

>>1032
sucks

>>1031
You're gonna have to go to Japan

>>1008
And now Tool is planning a concert at the Sphere. Ironic.

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>they're gonna be using LEDs at magical mirai this year

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Transparent LED screens exist. Why do they not use those instead?

>>1099
This is the best long term solution

https://youtube.com/watch?v=efbVfx1sJbE

What if they had andotropes that move around stage on wheels? It is basically just a display that spins so every viewing angle is the same image.

>>1006
Genuine question but what type of hologram is the one in this image? Is is the same one as >>1101 ?

>>1101
i think >>1099 is the best solution honestly

>>1102
I think it is peppers ghost not a spinning display or a transparent display but Im not certain. It likely uses LCD screens as the image source not a projector.

>>1103
I do wonder how an andotrope would look with a transparent screen like that. Combine the tech.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IelsoxjHbik

>>1102
Actually my bad it isnt peppers ghost but maybe a transparent light field display. That would explain the high price tag. I cant imagine how Much something large enough to hold a life size model would be especially if wide enough they can lay down too not just stand up.

>>1102
Nope I was right the first time it is just peppers ghost not a TLFD and uses a projector that shines onto a mirror that is reflected on a glass panel so the price tag was actually excessive.

>>1099
Expense and quality. To put it simply, it's still too new.

While I can definitely see it being an option in the future, it's one of those things where it's better to wait for the technology to further develop before adoption.

Using LG for a reference, a 77" Transparent currently runs at pretty much $100k, 77" plain old smart TV is about $2400. Plus, the common complaint I've seen from the rich who can afford it, is that the quality just simply isn't as clean in comparison. This is all consumer stuff, not corporate, so prices and sizes, of course, would be different in Miku's case.

Links for reference
https://www.lg.com/ca_en/tv-soundbars/oled/oled77t4pua/?srsltid=AfmBOoo-Zgb5GpRfDOIAqNA9fcURp1wg0h4w_TUFJqybtIfa0m_cokk3
https://www.lg.com/ca_en/tv-soundbars/oled/oled77b5pua/

https://youtube.com/watch?v=qAYaOgr9keA

>>1110
It is artificially high prices I think. You even can actually turn a normal LCD monitor into a transparent one. The result for something on a large stage isnt much better than using a projector on glass, only bonus is objects can pass in front of it without you blocking a projection so it is better for small stages that are well lit as opposed to the projection method where it is opposite and you need darkness so there is different use cases. Ones that use OLED are only slightly different from a normal OLED screen in how they are constructed but OLEDs can have issue of image burn in over time.

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>>1031
>Magical Mirai
Not anymore. And Crypton aren't gonna ditch the screens just to please a minority of western otaku. Go to fan concerts, start hoping that they do one in your area.

>>1031
Feeling bad cause you asked just 2 weeks before the death of the hologram was essentially confirmed.

>>1124
It is what it is

>>1124
/feg/ welcomes you, anons :)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=UhvJnSjsp14

>>1128
I can't believe Mitsuko Arisa won

>>1122
>Not anymore
if that is really the standard, Miku concerts will be just like vtuber concerts but with indie music

>>1130
i don't go to vtuber concerts
they use screens?

>>1131
ive seen a few and those used screens

https://youtube.com/watch?v=IxhEaYf_fiE

>>1131
Here KAF performing in concert from last year she has on her channel.

>>1137
Kafu concerts when

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>>1138
Fanmade, but Mikufest has Kafu
Its the only fanmade concert so far to include Kyu kurarin in its setlist

>>1129
Billion dollar company behind the most popular Vocaloid in the world using LEDs vs Literal who Mexican UTAU using a cheap hologram

>>1138
Some of KAFs songs are a duet with KAFU so I do wonder if she includes those in concerts or not

>>1167
The previous hologram was probably not much more expensive than the screen I think unless for some reason they specifically have to use glass and not plexiglass since large sheets probably are very costly to make.

>>1140
>Kyu kurarin in its setlist
I need to know where this happened

>>1169
In Texas, see >>1049

>>1167
>Billion dollar company
I know you're joking but maybe half of the reason people give Crypton so much flak is they think they're a hugely capitalized outfit with money to throw at every problem. Most of their business is licensing. They are almost certainly in the ballpark of an eight figure dollar company.

>>1167
That's cool and all but Arisa world tour when

>>1124
So is that actually it? No more official events making use of the old hologram tech?

>>1178
Well they didn't say anything about next week's pokemon concert but given the venue and the fact that the lawson live didn't say either yet used a screen, I'm 90% sure it's not gonna be a hologram.

>>1188
Lawson used the LED screen that Miku Expo Asia used tmk

>>1178
Nothing’s set in stone but moving forward, unless a new tech for the hologram is introduced, we’ll likely see more LED usage. Mirai confirming LEDs though is pretty much the nail in the coffin.

>>1190
It's bleak

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Were they possibly using an LED screen all along but on the floor or were they using projectors ? I found this diagram on a site selling Pepper's Ghost film.

>>1193
Up until recently, it was projected. I'm struggling to find it myself, but there is an old presentation in English somewhere on YouTube by a crypton rep explaining the hologram projection in depth.

>>1194
That is the tricky part since the illusion is a projection in itself. So did they actually show a video projector unit?

Is it weird to say that i miss the old mikuexpo? and not just because of the holograms, they just felt better organized in a way.

>>1129
Can we get Arisa in the US?

I miss the holos...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=YbxsYhTjYFI

How hard would it be to scale up something like this? But instead of mist use taught fishing line or magician's threads with or without white beads to add more solid appearance.

>>1752
With how cheap every post-2024 concert has been I don't they'd be willing to invest in something like this.

>>1753
This. They even hire local musicians now instead of the Japanese band.

>>1786
That’s fine, the local band is pretty good. The drummer is cool.

>>1786
Admittedly, the local musicians is likely in response to the performance visa fee increase a few years back, but not an issue as long as they enjoy what they do. Love that the drummer is the same as 2024 though. He got more and more into it and seems to just have so much fun. I love it.

>>1789
Performance visa fee? That sounds ridiculous.

>>1792
Ridiculous but true. It’s specifically the US fee that had a sharp increase in 2024. Whether or not they were affected in 2024 is unknown. That said it’s only the band that would need to be considered iirc but that’s just the likely case. Either way, the main reason I’m going isn’t the band, it’s Miku. So as long as the band can play, it’s no big deal who they are as long as Miku is on screen. Especially since they haven’t had a specific dedicated band in years.

>>1174
admittedly miku as an IP is probably worth billions alone

>>1855
IP valuation is one of those funny numbers that is barely worth trying to account. It's the same reason shitcrypto or NFTs can be "valued" at millions. CFM will never be able to fully realize whatever valuation is tied up in Miku.

>>1789
I don't mind local musicians either

I feel like I gave the LED too much shit but having seen what its like now, its not too bad

Still prefer the hologram tho

>>1855
Miku's smile is worth billions

>>1193
What is pepper's ghost and does it have anything to do with paranormal food

https://youtube.com/watch?v=8a2id9JSX7w

>>1882
It's what they use for haunted mansions in amusement parks like Disney

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>>1884
VIP Sensei?

>>1885
Exiting the forest is super simple

>>1886
All you do is follow these path turns, For the rest of your gaming life.

>>999
And now Project Circles kinda did this

>>1752
Way too blurry

>>2336
Well I was thinking of using very small items to be illuminated instead of mist but sure it might be blurry but can work for if you want a ghost like look. Would be pretty low budget and easy enough to DIY compared to actually more advanced tech aside from being a pain to set up.

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This years Mirai LED implementation seems like a good step up from the Lawson LED earlier this year. Need to see Osaka venue since Hamamatsu was quite small for any stage design beyond just screen and the frame.

I wonder if they would bring a screen of this size to expo for 2028 since it just looks like 2 mirai sized screens put together.

>>2762
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the same one from PokeMiku

>>2762
Looks great. Did expo 2026 have anything like this?. Would be a shame if not.

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>>2767
For some parts, yes. Connect Commune was literally like a PokeMiku lite, probably the most real and 3d Miku I've seen. (I only saw the hologram back in 2016 so can't fully remember how real that was or compared)

Old songs were mostly still black voids tho which was kinda sad but every song seems to be getting their own backgrounds now since MM also switched to LED so hopefully that wont be the case by next expo. Honestly I'm mostly happy with this setup after whatever 2024 expo was, they just need to give every song backgrounds and add some extra props around the screen. One of the main "problems" of expo is the venue choices and time windows as they try to visit too many venues with really different sizes (NA expo had both a 3k venue and a 20k arena) in a really small amount of time. While Mirai also varies in venue size a lot they have like 3-4 weeks between the shows while the whole expo tour takes like a single month so logistics are most likely already hard to deal with.

>>2769
Maybe I'm in the minority here but i believe the screens can look good if they adapt the background visuals like this. Don't get me wrong i still prefer the holograms but the TV can work with good visuals.