No.430
A bit more primitive looking but overall not much different from what it is today. It was also smaller and there were less newfags bringing in nu-4chan lingo.
No.431
/g/ was also cafe for a bit which was cool
there were other boards but I don't remember all of them....
No.432
>>431retro board and pjd board
No.433
>>432/pjd/ still exists in the form of a thread
No.435
>>431The only thing that changed is that now it's called /g/. All the original posts from /cafe/ are still there, lol.
No.436
we used to have a utaite and food/drink board (i don't remember when they got canned)
No.437
>>436utaite got moved to its own separate thread on
>>>/j/ cause no one posted there.
No.472
Not too different. Though it has gotten way more circlejerky since the Leekaloids.
No.474
>>472I wouldn't call it circlejerky, the whole Leeka thing is part of the site's culture, it thrives on OC.
No.475
>>472So was 2channel with their Vipperloids back then? I don't see the issue with that
Like
>>474 said it's good that we have plenty of original content, that's what Vocaloid is about in the first place
No.476
WE LIKE TO JERK IT
No.562
I miss the old /jp/, straight from the go /jp/
I gotta say, at that time I'd like to meet /jp/
See, I invented /jp/, it wasn't any /jp/s
And now I look and look around and there's so many /jp/s
No.564
>>563The people from the /jp/ Vocaloid threads are definitely here. The good posters at least, because those threads are still the same /v/ tier shitposting and producer-bashing they were before.
Overall though i dont think 39chan has changed much other than it has become more active (especially on fridays for some reason)
>>474Yeah i agree with the leekas being site culture.
No.565
>>564It's usually on Saturdays and Sundays that 39chan becomes more active
Not today though
No.567
>>563>The mods are clearly letting it rotProblem is there are no mods, especially none that touch the vocaloid general. I recall being able to get some egregious shitposts removed through the report system, but that must be out the door by now. I guess mods were unprepared when those hololive threads blew up - clearly the ban was too late to save the board.
No.568
>>567It's not that they aren't prepared. They could've easily moved the Hololive stuff to /vt/. It's that they don't give a shit about it.
We've gotten to the point where a literal blog thread with a guy drunkposting has been up for days.
No.616
You can tell the jaypees either moved here or Kissu based on how dogshit the threads have become. Now each thread there is like that shitty gossip thread on our /g/ but on steroids.
No.617
>>616Not our fault that /jp/ has no mods
No.721
>>429You guys are gonna call me a massive motherfucking faglet but to be fair i miss pre-/jp/ 39chan a little. I miss when /leek/ didn't have generals, the site was slower than the /jp/ Vocaloid threads, porn was allowed outside /o/, and there weren't so many crossies (crossboarders are shit regardless of where they come from)
But even with its flaws i still love this site and i love /leek/. I'm happy with this community.
No.722
>>567Funny you say this because during christmas a mod posted on the Vocaloid general and embedded a song. But yeah the quality of the threads there tends to suck for the most part, I miss how chill they used to be in the 2010s.
No.723
>>721>I miss when /leek/ didn't have generalsI can't disagree with you and it's part of why I've seen myself drifting from the site a little. The zoning doesn't make any sense when the site is this small and it tees us up for cliquey behavior when the site does get bigger, potentially. Hardly a new phenomenon, but so many people want imageboards to be chatrooms when they really suck for that purpose.
No.724
>>721NSFW was never allowed on the rest of the site, just /otn/. Agree with the generals thing though, but it's not something that bothers me too much.
No.725
>>723Silly question but what is zoning?
No.726
>>725In this use it's effectively segregating into smaller communities that don't really interact with each other. The problem with generals, broadly, is that they force continuity for a topic even when there's not really a need to always have an active thread for it, or they become broad catch-alls for what should be unique threads. Bumping threads is, in practice, supposed to give a good signal of an interesting or active discussion, but generals are just noise that require entering the thread to parse them. The more that becomes the case, the more people shelter inside of their few preferred generals rather than follow the board in total. The same people become involved in the same threads over and over and discussion stagnates.
It's less of an issue for the site currently because you can still pretty easily follow everything on the overboard, but generals work against what should make imageboards useful.
No.728
>>726I agree that it’s not much of an issue if most users are reading /all/ or the homepage. Maybe it could be in the long term.
No.729
>>726>>723Not a fan of generals either but to be fair in /leek/'s case i accept them, because realistically, where else would you discuss current events? Making a thread for something that might receive like 2 or 3 replies at best feels spammy. It's not like the rest of the board is inactive, the other threads get traction too, and a lot of people post on /rvr/.
No.730
i wouldn't say that the generals are troublesome. at least not currently. but i could always look into alternatives if that happens. like
>>729 pointed out, they can be quite useful for discussing current events without falling into the same problems as the now locked "fandom discussion thread" that was on /g/.
No.731
>>721I assume this post is referring to the /otn/ board because to my knowledge porn was never fully allowed here. /otn/ was a porn dump board, and it was removed due to inactivity and the existence of booru sites, which, lets face it, they're better for dumping dicks n' balls than the typical Futaba style imageboard.
I've considered allowing NSFW images and discussion on /mmd/, so long as it doesn't turn into a porn dump board. Ecchi is allowed on /c/ and /leek/ and you are allowed to link to off-site pages containing nsfw content (e.g: catbox) .
No.732
>>729>Making a thread for something that might receive like 2 or 3 replies at best feels spammyLow reply threads are not spam, especially on a site with traffic at this level. That is the function of imageboards working as expected: people reply to discussion that interests them, and threads and topics that aren't interesting get bumped to higher pages and eventually off the board.
>a lot of people post on /rvr/Collecting all releases in one thread I'd argue obfuscates link dumps as discussion, but it's also not really what I'm talking about. Generals are not bad because they collect discussion, similar to forum megathread, but because they enforce a rigidity of discussion that crowds out spontaneity. The moment a general hits bump limit, another is made with a backlink directly to the old thread.
Again, I don't really think it's that big of a deal at the moment, more just providing some context, but the Vocaloid general is already speeding up to the point that it is the dominant fixture of /leek/. I think the thought in
>>730 that you can change habits and behavior later "if it happens" is a bad one when the function and behavior of generals is well trialed on another imageboards, large and small. Maybe it will work out for us all in the long run, but my sense is that the community here is younger/has less overall familiarity with why generals have been corrosive and why it's lazy to transplant them if you're trying to build a culture that's alternative to something like 4chan.
No.733
>>732the generals started appearing around the same time people from /jp/ migrated here. the first general on /leek/ literally has a copypaste of the OP from /jp/. i'm not gonna say that they've ruined the site because i still enjoy using it and i can always just not reply to a general, but if you look at the older threads on /leek/'s catalog you can tell the vibe was different and there was more variety in thread topics.
also /rvr/ has been a thing since day one i don't see the problem with it. i'd argue it's the most useful thread there since a lot of obscure producers get posted there and without it i'd have to rely on youtube's shitty algo.
No.736
>>734i feel this way too personally
No.740
I feel like there is no way to kill the generals without muzzling conversation. Sure, you would see new threads pop up, but I feel like many users who enjoy the generals would not make threads whenever they have random thoughts that could just be an easy post in the general thread.
Making a thread feels like it has a sort of responsibility to it, atleast to me. I post in a lot of threads but I have never considered making one. It's not really about being afraid of getting banned, it's more just being shy. Whenever someone else makes a thread I feel more justified posting in it than if I forced my thoughts onto a new one. IDK it's difficult to explain.
But the generals have been around since before me, so I can't vouch for how it was before. Maybe the conversation getting muzzled a bit can be a good thing to preserve a sort of order with the catalogue? I dunno, just wanted to share my two cents, but bottom line is I think you would distance a lot of people from the site by killing the general, and I think the popularity of the thread is proof of that.
No.741
As i see it the /leek/ general serves as a decent place to discuss all the current events and happenings (outside of major news, those can go on /news/) and harmless shitposting, so I don't really mind it existing. I get how generals are harmful on 4chan but this isn't 4chan. And even with the general being the most active thread on /leek/, it's not like the other threads don't get replies.
tl;dr: general = ok and fine. /leek/ active enough for other thread to get reply.
No.742
>>741Generals are not a problem exclusive to 4chan and you can count on them being a problem here if this site grows larger.
No.743
>>740Yes it does require a shift in mentality. In order to phase out generals (without entirely cratering the post count) I do think that the staff would need to take an active part in promoting the idea of making new threads, because I think that many users today have never even experienced imageboards that were not just a collection of siloed chatroom-esque generals, and because of that, have never gained the confidence to just make threads about whatever silly nonsense comes to mind.
To be clear, I am not necessarily advocating for this; I'm not sure if it's even possible to turn back the clock on what, to me, seems like the inevitable outcome of capital accumulation, the centralization of the internet, the structure of imageboards, and moderator/user incentives/behavior; I'm just trying to articulate the position.
No.746
>>745Look, I know that I wasn't there, but I don't think that Vocaloid threads on the Japanese language textboard 2channel, have that much continuity with the Vocaloid threads on the English language imageboard 4chan.
The technology behind 4chan was inspired by the Japanese imageboard Futaba Channel (itself originally a textboard inspired by 2channel), however, culturally, the earliest 4chan users came from the Something Awful forums.
But like I said, I wasn't there, so I'd be interested to hear the case for there being a direct lineage; maybe there's some ancient internet history or Vocaloid community lore that I don't know about.
No.747
>>745The comparison is disingenuous, besides that persistent topics do not make something a general, that imageboards and textboards are not equivalents in function or behavior across cultures, and that you should not look to 2ch as a model of anything. Considering that it's on /dtm/ should clue you that it's specifically about Yamaha's Vocaloid software rather than a net catch-all for all discussions of vocal synths, as it is on /leek/.
>>746There's no continuity as far as vocal synth fandom. 4chan's continuity with Futaba was largely broken the moment after moot translated Gazou himself, despite world2ch doing that work first. Perfectly fair to say SA had more influence on global imageboard culture than 2ch or Futaba or world2ch when most websites, including this one, are downstream of 4chan rather than its grandparents.
No.748
>>747>The comparison is disingenuous, besides that persistent topics do not make something a general, that imageboards and textboards are not equivalents in function or behavior across cultures, and that you should not look to 2ch as a model of anything.Amen to that. I'll take this quiet place over the usual imageboard spam any day.
No.749
>>746couldn't tell you much about when or why 4chan adopted genthreads as much as it did, but the tradition of making a new thread before the post limit & copying a template OP was already present on 2ch in the early 2000s. there's even a thread using 前スレ on jaypee right now
>>747the /dtm/ thread was the main thread until 2007 because most people who liked vocaloid were producers. afterwards the vocaloid gen on /streaming/ became more popular, which was another early thread turned into a catch-all. i think it resembled our gens more or less
tl;dr it's old. also 39chan doesn't autodelete threads which may be relevant here
No.752
Generals are a learned behavior that has become widely replicated because it is perhaps the most successful adaptation for discussing any given topic within the technological niche that is imageboards.
Generals remove the need to create individual threads in order to ask questions, share opinions, post content, etc.; about their chosen topic, lowering the barrier to entry and increasing the overall post count for said topic.
With posts on that topic increasing overall, and centralized in a single thread, the constant stream of posts continually bump the general, keeping it at top of the board, where it's increased visibility and longevity leads to more users joining the thread, forming a positive feedback loop.
Linking the new general ensures that this runaway momentum does not dissipate; a regular old controversial thread eventually hits the bump limit and dies, bait threads can only be posted so frequently before they are deleted as spam, but as long as there is a stable core of regulars, eager to be the first to post in the new thread, a general will dominate its board.
No.754
I don't care about generals on /leek/, they can get banned for all i care, but please keep them on /live/
No.755
>>753>reduce activity by about 20%It's a foolish precept to think that more activity means better quality of discussion. Not to say this is the scenario we are discussing, but I would gladly give up post count for better posts on any given day. Imageboards should offer more than chat rooms.
In the interest of a middle ground, I don't think you need to ban generals altogether at this point (the early conversation here largely agreed that it's not a huge problem at the moment), but I would like to see threads created with a focus/purpose. A "Vocaloid general" on /leek/, for an entire website dedicated to vocal synths, is superfluous.
No.757
>>753You need to police your jannies too. In no way was it appropriate to give me a 1 hour ban when other anons were derailing another thread dogpiling me for no reason. I literally just discovered this site yesterday.
https://39chan.moe/leek/res/14777.html#q16920archive:
https://archive.is/BKMVZExcuse me if i don't automagically know all your board lore and obscure OC's exclusive to this board. You need to get rid of that manchild moderator you have. One report isnt "clogging up the report queue" on this obscure imageboard by any stretch of the word. I even offered to make 3D models of these characters for you guys and this is the thanks I get before I've even started? Fuck you too. Im taking my shit and leaving.
No.759
>>757A 1-hr ban is considered a warning here, it's never serious unless things escalate. It's basically a way for us to say "don't do this again or you'll actually get banned". You were warned for rule 3 and making multiple reports for bizarre reasons (a random picture of teto on fire with the reason "retard"?) or simply because you disagree with them. Take it or leave it, this isn't the thread for this sort of discussion.
No.760
>>757Not the jan but you were literally spoonfed twice in the same thread
No.761
>>753I think encouraging users to make new threads would go over better than stricter moderation. I suggest making some banners, and if you still have the news blotter, you can make an announcement. You could also ask that generals adopt templates in the OP gently reminding users that it's okay to post new threads.
No.762
>>761i actually opened banner submissions two days ago since i feel like we need new ones, check
>>737 if you wanna make one
>>7571h ban is essentially a slap on the wrist. just don't do stupid stuff and it won't happen again.
No.763
>>757Mods give this nerd another hour
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) No.767
>>753I don't think anything is necessary honestly. While /leek/ itself is active, the generals themselves are never super active and there's been a spike in non-general threads recently (likely as a result of this thread ig). The problem doesn't exist for now but it might in the future.
>>757A 1h ban isn't enough, crossies should get permabanned
No.768
I appreciate that you guys are beginning to make new threads instead of using the general. This is how it should be handled.
No.795
>>768i noticed this too, the generals are losing activity and theres more threads
No.799
>>429I hate to be the one to complain about the state of /jp/ but it feels like every Vocaloid thread there since 2015 always devolves into shitflinging
No.801
39chan got a shoutout from Limbo, not sure if this will harm or benefit the site but expect an influx of users like it happened with Chakai
No.805
>>801I honestly do not really mind it if we get new users from youtube or some other place. If people are willing to adapt to the site's culture and use it without acting like literal apes then they are more than welcome here.
No.806
>>805Yeah i agree. Crossboarders tend to be a cancer though.
No.813
>>806I post on multiple imageboards myself but not duplicate topics and have never had an interest in any hive mind. I feel more at home on pseudonymous forums might be part of why I never took to enjoying garbage or being a jerk.
No.814
>>813Not all of them are bad, I like Kissubros. But the ones that expect the site to adapt to them instead of the other way around are aids, we've had some before.
No.815
>>814Yeah I get what you mean. They also try to take over forums too.
No.819
Well 4chan is down again, expect an influx of jaypee users
No.854
I apologize if people are sick of /jp/ discussion, I just wanted to let anyone who still cares about 4chan here know that the graphs on
https://4stats.io/ are working again.
No.855
>>854God that board is dying
No.856
>>854I'm not sure why the main domain took so long to get patched, but dev.4stats.io never stopped working.