No.64
How did Engloids fall off so hard? It's not like no one cares about Vocaloid music in English, all those recent Teto and Miku songs and even Butcher Vanity prove there's still a market for it but it wasn't long ago when everybody was obsessed with Oliver and Big AL. You rarely hear people talk about them anymore.
No.67
>>64I miss Oliver, he was cute
No.180
>>71>>126I was informed that Vocatone's new voicebanks might have different voice providers. This was known for Oliver since apparently Vocatone is now against using real children for their voicebanks
(likely because of songs like the very infamous "Gay Sex", let's be honest) but apparently Ann/Al will not be voiced by Frank and Jody. I don't know how true this is but it's definitely worrying.
No.486
so is zero-g officially done with vocaloid? i know vocatone/pfx are still around
No.487
>>486"i know vocatone/pfx are still around" About PFX..haha..
Unless you know something I don't, PFX's involvement with Vocaloid ended with Bil Bryant leaving the company. Is Vocatone the only dedicated Engloid company left? That's kinda sad
No.488
>>487Isn't Vocatone part of PowerFX? Every "returning" Maghni voicebank so far has been a previously released PFX voicebank (Big AL, Sweet Ann, Oliver, Ruby, etc).
>Is Vocatone the only dedicated Engloid company left?From the Vocaloid (software) era, yes. There's still English only voicebanks being developed for SynthV.
No.493
>>488>From the Vocaloid (software) era, yes. There's still English only voicebanks being developed for SynthV.Yeah, I should've specified that I was referring specifically to English Vocaloids and not vsynths in general orz
>Isn't Vocatone part of PowerFX? Every "returning" Maghni voicebank so far has been a previously released PFX voicebank (Big AL, Sweet Ann, Oliver, Ruby, etc).Originally I thought they were more akin to a circle a la VOCALOMAKETS (even if they are an actual business/LLC) but the Vocaloid wiki does say they're a spin-off company? Interesting..even then I feel that's different from being actually part of PFX, who I heard dropped out of Vocaloid after YOHIOloid + Bil Bryant's departure to focus on Soundation (which makes them way more money) a long time ago.
Vocatone is mostly comprised of fans from the community too, but I don't really keep up with Vocatone, Maghni AI, or PFX's Vocaloid stuff outside of Oliver so I may be wrong or something might have changed. (God willing)
Unless I missed something, the "returning" vocals are also still solely speculation and haven't been confirmed to be old Engloids yet (even though I agree some look similar and probably are)
I'll have to look into it more..we'll both have to wait and see.
No.498
>>496Even if i'm not a fan, the creepy 3D models at least sounded better than whatever the hell they went with for V6. I don't know what it is about V6 voicebanks that i dislike but i haven't heard a single good one. Can't be the engine noise because CEVIO is way worse in that regard and yet i love KAFU.
https://youtu.be/HUar7KtZoxw No.499
>>498Agree. Probably the flatness of the vocals, they sound so bad because Yamaha got rid of 90% of the parameters and I'm not even kidding. Vocaloid has always had this problem but at least in the past end-users had a way to correct it without spending $500+ on VSTs. Pretty sure even "Character" and "Expression" were added via updates and weren't even there on release.
The comments on that video are pretty telling LOL (but I also prefer KAFU + CeVIO and Voisona to SynthV or Vocaloid personally)
No.501
>>499It's also more expensive than SynthV
No.566
>>563Have we even gotten a purposely cutesy (both voice and design) English vocal since Sonika? Vocals marketed for pop alone don't count to me imo (especially since deep-voiced pop singers like Adele exist, and Solaria is more similar to Adele than Hatsune Miku outside of having a character design. That might be why people are still so attached to Sonika in the first place.)
Voices that have character designs aren't inherently character vocals to me either, the Starry Court (Solaria, Asterian and them) are marketed as professional pop, bass etc. vocals and not cute characters.
I don't even listen to country music and would still kill for a country-loid with a similar design and voice in a cartoony style similar to Alex Ahad or any of the Skullgirls artists.
and a voice like Applejack's (´・ω・｀) No.571
>>566i'm pretty sure sonika was meant to be exactly that when they made her. her original boxart used the render in picrel for a long time before the redesign. it was in late 2009 that they decided to market her vb towards the fandom instead of the actual producers and do contests and interact with the community via twitter.
i honestly wish they still did the twitter stuff with new vocaloids. it made them feel more "real". like you were reading some celebrity's tweets. the only account that still somewhat does this is oliver and it's not even close to what sonika's account was.
No.572
>>571>i honestly wish they still did the twitter stuff with new vocaloids. it made them feel more "real". like you were reading some celebrity's tweets. the only account that still somewhat does this is oliver and it's not even close to what sonika's account was.Even if Sonika was the first, Japanese loids still do this luckily!
Tsuina's is very..interesting.. No.774
>>496Part of me wishes CYVA/CYMAN's voicebanks had Japanese counterparts (no, VY1/VY2 don't count) so people would make more stuff with them. I know CYVA has a couple originals but the only good ones are the ones Circus/Crusher made because they're the only engloid producers who know how to tune and mix.
CYMAN has uhh… his demos and that's it.
No.961
>>572Wasnt there an official flower twitter account that was constantly being horny or am i misremembering?
No.1006
prima is genuinely one of the coolest vsynths
No.1009
>>1008Sorry guys it was me
No.1013
>>1008>2014almost 11 years since flower got pregnant…
No.1263
Zero-G should've canonized Primina as Prima's official design methinks
No.1276
>>566Eleanor Forte but she's a SV
No.1283
>>1276Eleanor seems like another one of those banks that just happens to have a character design for marketing reasons but still has a mature and/or professional voice, like the Eclipsed Sounds banks. Especially because she was just another reference voicebank by Kanru (because I think this was before Dreamtonics even existed iirc) until Animen bought her rights and just slapped the cute girl on it. I wish there was a loli/cutesy sounding English voicebank (on literally any VSynth), Sonika may not be a loli but her voice is still way cuter than the average Engloid, native English SynthV etc.
Hell, even Miku English herself sounds mature! Maybe Maghni AI will deliver with Imani, I heard a rumor that a Maghni AI bank is going to be voiced by a voice actor instead of the typical amateur or professional singer that English banks get, hell even Oliver himself is a choir boy’s voice and not intended to be a character, and to my knowledge choir boys are trained by professionals.
What I’m seeking is an Engloid with a voice like KAFU/Zundamon/POPY/Gwar Gura (lmao), not just an Engloid with a character design because there are probably tons of those esp. if we include UTAU. Unfortunately it’s probably going to take a long time because English anime VAs are probably scared of AI
aside from VTubers most of them also suck, and “normal” English VAs who do things like cartoons are probably either too expensive to hire or will also see AI and assume vocal synths are “trying to steal their jobs.”
Take this with a grain of salt because vidrel is the only Eleanor song I know and listen to regularly (I’m not really interested in covers anymore) and she sounds pretty mature in it to me.
No.1284
>>1279I unironically want something to come out of this Sonika meme so we can show vsynth companies cute girls can sell in the West too. I wish whoever was trying to make Sonika V4 did a crowdfund, I’m sure people would love it. Maybe she’ll get a Maghni AI since a bunch of other previously “abandoned” Engloids are speculated to? God willing. It seems like Sonika is still available on ZeroG’s website as well, even adding her to cart works. Does she come with the V2 editor? I swear I saw someone say either Miku or all V2 voicebanks come with the editor. If true, does V2 run well on Windows10?
No.1343
>>1284All the discontinued 'loids that got on Maghni were PFXloids because VocaTone are a spinoff company of PowerFX. Sonika on the other hand is developed by Zero-G who quit the vsynth scene after Yanaha fucked them over.
No.1349
>>1343It’s Sonikover
No.1350
I dont think zero-g cares much about their loids. MIRIAM's vp asked for an upgrade about 10 years ago and to this day she's stuck on V1. After DEX and DAINA they basically dipped. I wonder if they're still in contact with Aki Glancy.
No.1640
When are we gonna see an engloid revival? and i dont mean SynthVs like Eleanor
i want actual engloids.
No.1642
I wish we had an ENGloid for V6, but most likely we will have one more english-speaking default yamaha VB. and considering that most voicebanks can sing in mandarin, chinese or english, it wouldn't matter either way. we're doomed orz
No.1646
>>1643 we need one more….
No.1647
>>1642>>1646Impossible in 2025. PFX quit Vocaloid plus they're developing their own engine under Vocatone and Zero-G quit the vocalsynth scene after Yamaha fucked them over while they were making Sonika V4. (That last one hurts the most imo, not even because of Sonika but because it felt like Zero-G was the one company that cares the most about the WVF).
No.2973
>>2967the black eyed peas
No.4499
>>4498Solaria is hot but i don't fuck with her western art style i need her drawn by a Japanese
No.4501
>>2967Kanye West & Friends
No.4502
>>2967Oddly enough I really like Amy and Ken's voices. Kaori has a lower quality voice and I'm neutral on Chris. I wish we got more VBs that weren't just white or East Asian. I enjoy vocal variety.
>>4498Eclipsed Sounds actively embraces the Western communities, specifically the American and UK ones. I hate Solaria's design and voice but aside from her and the purple opera one I can never spell right, I think Eclipsed has an alright output. Elanor is also very hard to obtain, so that's why I'm guessing people moved on. I love Dreamtonics' banks despite them not having designs. I like drawing up concepts but I never end up finishing them.
My favorite ES bank is HXVOC, but Asterian is very high up there.
No.4503
>>4502I personally like both their voices and design but yeah they're not made for the average vsynth weeb, they're made for producers
No.4507
>>4503It's kind of funny how small the "western producer who refuses to use a weeb voicebank" market is even today after 10+ attempts to appeal to them. Maybe there's some community I don't know about, but it feels like Eclipsed is the only group to come close to widespread adoption, and their products have character designs that are plenty goofy and "unprofessional". I don't see any real reason why the professional bank/unprofessional bank divide needs to exist.
No.4509
>>4507Teto saved the western SV scene
No.4510
>>4508The lyrics are silly but you're right it does sound very 90's rock.
No.4511
>>4509I'm not surprised that Teto got popular with western producers. The reason they didn't use her before is because unless you're CircusP making Japanese voicebanks sing in English is a pain in the ass. With Teto having multilang support now that barrier is broken.
No.4512
>>4511Yeah the barrier has always been how linguistically complicated English is. I look at the phoneme codes Vocaloid has (Q? V?) and smh
No.4514
>>4512It's not just that. Before SynthV existed people used English versions of voicebanks that were already popular in Japan such as Luka, Gumi and Miku instead of Big AL, Sonika, Tonio, etc because let's face it everybody knows who Miku is but ask a Vocaloid fan who Big AL is and they probably have no idea. So SynthV having multilanguage support and Teto being the most popular voicebank in Japan on top of SV itself being cheaper than V6 means a lot of Western producers were able to buy Teto and put her in their songs.
No.4515
>>4511I actually enjoy making JP Vocaloids sing in English, but UTAUs are a pain without extra phonemes.
Part of why I make so many cover and so few originals is because the practice of converting phonemes and tuning is fun to me but I never learned proper music theory and am a perfectionist with melodies, so what I put out is usually the result of a long struggle.
No.4528
>>4515I mean, Kikuo never learned music theory either and was told not to because it'd make his music boring
No.4549
>>4528And Kikuo is extremely talented and I like his work. I guess everything I make just sounds bad to me so I rarely release it. I don't really know how to make things more interesting
No.4669
>>4668We need a fanloid based off that
Just Adam Sandler's head on a drawn MS Paint man with a microphone. Call him ADAMSAN. His catchphrase can be some quote from Adam Sandler or something stupid like Let's get ready to rock n roll this house
No.4670
>>4669>ADAMSANKek i can probably do this
No.4672
>>4669curious to know what the fuck this would even sound like. wouldn't it just be a jinriki utau of adam sandler?. that would make more sense than pitching up big al or something right?.
No.4682
>>4669Adamsan, honorary leekaloid
No.4686
>>4669Literally Adam-san
No.4709
>>4703for no reason, i'm imagining him with microsoft sam's voice... idk
No.4713
If you think about it MS Sam was the original Engloid
No.4753
>>4703Why is he wearing the Punkish Len outfit but green
No.4754
>>4753Adam san likes to get freaky
No.4949
>>1283Toriko Diffsinger will be exactly that when it's out assuming it's still being worked on so look forward to that
No.4955
>>4953I wish he had more songs in general
No.4961
>>4953Same. I also wish he had denpa songs, I'm disappointed that Magical Cure Love Shot didn't seem to inspire people to make denpa with engloids.
No.4962
>>4961i was trying to make something with sonika but im no sawtowne, cant work with beeps and boops, i need guitars and drums in my music
No.4976
>>4949I want to make a cover of -ERROR with her so badly. The lyrics fit her perfectly.
No.4977
>>4949I follow the voice provider on twitter. She doesn't update often and appears to be busy recently but on May 23 she said the voicebank is still being worked on.
No.4978
>>4977In the meantime you could use TORIKO CV with OpenUTAU's English plugin to make her sing in broken English if you're too desperate
No.5006
>>4962Technically you could still make a denpa song with guitar and drums, though you would have to focus more on making the lyrics sound denpa than the music itself.
No.5275
Secrets of Wysteria daughter or Gay Sex son?
No.5276
>>5275I'm sorry Gay Sex but Wysteria was one of the first Vocaloid songs I heard
No.7067
Welcome to Who wants to be a Millionaire. You must answer the following question:
Elly is:
a) Dead
b) Alive
No.7070
>>7067I'm betting on option A just for the fact that she's an English voicebank. Anyway i was hoping she would show up on SVS2 with multilang support and more modes, guess that's impossible now.
No.7134
>>7065I'm not even gonna lie whenever i heard that a voicebank is going to be discontinue my first instinct is to look up a cover of this song with said voicebank
No.7239
>>7233I think you can still buy them off Sonicwire Japan
No.7240
>>7239they're still discontinued as a result of pfx merging with that aislop company and i doubt 90% of wvps will get a japanese vpn just to buy their voicebanks. maghni really is our only hope lol.
No.7242
>>7240Many WVPs aren't going to go through the effort anyway but you don't need a VPN to buy off sonicwire japan. You just need to change the website language to japanese on the homepage. Mahgni AI really is the only hope for bringing them back to relevancy though.
No.7246
>>7242When was the last update we got from Vocatone regarding Maghni AI again?
No.7247
>>7246They said in April the crowdfund rewards are coming soon (which includes the software I think?)
Still no ETA though
No.7374
>>7247April this year or April last year?
No.7385
>Literally every western producer uses Miku or Teto now
Engloidbros are we fucked?
No.7386
Sonika will save Engloid (not cope)
No.7442
>>7233I can only accept the new Big AL voicebank if its either voiced by Frank or Michael (Big AL Beta guy)
No.7540
>>7537Even if they wanted to, all the PFXloids are discontinued. Avanna, Dex, Daina, Prima, Tonio and Sonika are all that's left.
No.7542
>>7537You could broadly group EN-Ps into
>Group A: producers that care about realism and ease of use>Group B: producers that care about otaku cultureI’d say A is most likely to prefer SynthV banks and B as most likely to use Miku/Teto. The V3/V4 era engloids kind of fall in an awkward middle ground. Of course you should represent the vocaloid era you love most as
>>7537 suggests.
No.7544
>>7540Don't forget Cyber Diva and Cyber Songman. ippo.tsk has used CYVA before.
No.7548
>>7542Group B just uses any Japanese voicebank that has an English version or that can be modified to sing in English, not just Miku/Teto. An example is the recent Jamie P song.
No.7550
>>7548At least that song uses Rei, and Circus P uses underrated ones like Piko.
No.7560
>>7551and then people say Len is the gayest vocaloid...
No.7676
>>7670Always found it funny how these fan designs of MIRIAM barely look like Miriam Stockley
No.7715
>>7537I’m trying..music production is so hard though! I make cool loops people love but making it a full song is hard </3
>>7535Right, I love HXVOC so much but until I can make my own music he’ll probably be doomed to cover hell like most wholoids _(:3」∠)_
No.7750
>>7715That's pretty much every english Vocaloid's fate sadly
No.7967
>>7955>>7956All i want is an update on the other returning voicebanks that aren't Ruby and Oliver
No.8063
>>8047Yes I was obsessed with Dandy 704 a few years ago! I headcanon he’s Miku’s grandma.
We need more English character TTSes..
No.10554
>>10537If Maghni were to fail would VT still be able to publish the new PFXloids under another engine?
No.10556
>>10554PFX's lack of acknowledgement of maghni after earlier this year actually makes me wonder if the team actually has rights to make new banks for the PFXloids...
No.10557
>>10556Aren't the voicebanks theirs?
No.11347
Being an engloid fan sucks man
PFX dead, Zero-G semi-dead and Maghni in limbo
No.11380
>>11347Zero-G is alive and well, they just don't do Vocaloids anymore and likely never will at this rate
No.11382
>>11380Sonika V6 soon *cope*
No.11410
>>48This is a thing? Are there ones available for free that a beginner might be able to get into on his own?
No.11411
>>11410are what a thing? english vocaloids?
they have been existed for as long as vocaloid itself. all loids are paid, so your best bet is utau.
No.11412
>>11411>have been existedhave existed* fucking typo
No.11418
>>11410If you're willing to pirate, Big Al is pretty easy to use. If you're not, UTAU is what you should probably be using.
No.11419
>>11418Sonika is easy to use too but half of the community will try to convince you she's not
No.11422
>>11419Sonika's biggest issue is most people in the Western community don't know how to make her voice clear or struggle with her accent. Tonio is about the same difficulty for the same reason. At least she doesn't have broken phonemes that crash, like him, or phoneme cracks like Gumi English and Yohioloid.
No.11425
>>11422>Sonika's biggest issue is being Britishyeah
No.11613
It's bleak
No.11627
>>11626yeah without maghni ai it's pretty much over for the classic engloids
No.11712
>>11626As far as i know they're the only Engloid company now ever since PFX shut down. And I know Vocatone owns the rights to their voicebanks + are working on Maghni but ever since that blogpost it feels like the chances of it releasing are low. Still I hope that the Vocatone team are able to push forward and get it out there.
That being said PFX is dead, ZG is dead and Yamaha still makes stuff but it's very low quality compared to Cyber Diva and Songman.
No.11716
>>11712It's hard to be an engloid fan
No.11939
I miss Maika
No.11962
Primina will always be the definitive Prima design for me
No.12199
Being an engloid fan is hard because not only are you a fan of a wholoid but also a wholoid you know will never receive an update
No.12200
>>11939Is Maika even considered an Engloid? She's in a few English songs but she's one of the few Spanish vocaloids.
No.12243
>>12200she's a honorary engloid
No.12435
>>180Great news if true. I don't mind songs like Mimukauwa existing but voicebanks that sample real life children should not exist.
No.13133
>>13130They're the last Zero-G loids to be released
No.13150
>>1287she has tits, WHAT DO you mean loli at that point? XD
No.13228
>>13150Oppai loli /jk
Your fortune: Very Bad Luck No.13618
>>13130I honestly had no idea they even existed. I thought Zero-G had stopped making 'loids after Vocaloid 3.
No.13619
>>13617reminder that vocaloid was intended to be used by professional producers before otaku culture claimed it. someone's first time hearing a vocaloid song was probably this.
No.13630
>>4668That is the most Italian sounding name i've ever heard
No.13660
Eclipsed Sounds VBs need more moe
No.13723
>>13672She's not moe at all, but the fandom draws her as such
The same happens with Sonika who canonically looks like this
No.16489
Who would the "hatsune miku" of engloids be?
No.16494
>>16489Popularity: Teto (or Eleanor, if you mean EN only)
Concept: Sonika
Sound: Literally just EN Miku, lol
No.17904
>>17903Aside from the cancelled V4 Sonika bank, which was voiced by the utaite Rachie, not really. I'd imagine it'd be hard to identify vocalists like Prima and Tonio's VPs, and in the case of Sonika i'm like 90% sure the voice provider was probably just a friend of one of the developers.
No.17908
>>17907I'd be willing to believe it based on the fact that the OP is a father but anyone can just lie on the internet, especially Reddit
No.17910
>>17908This guy isn't active in the Vocaloid community either so it would be a pretty random thing to lie about
No.18501
If you want to take a trip down memory lane here's an old Wordpress blog about Engloids (last updated in 2010)
https://engloids.wordpress.com/Lots of interesting stuff there
No.18504
>>17907I messaged the guy. I'll try to arrange a short interview and if all goes well you should be seeing a thread about it in the future.
No.18505
>>18504In the meantime reply to this post with any questions you have. This isn't an official 39chan q&a, I'm just doing this for (You), anons.
No.18524
>>18504Good luck. My question for Prima's VP is if she writes back if she's aware of the fan designs and if so which is her favorite.
No.21193
>>21191I have a weird relationship with Tw Prima. I absolutely love her design but i dislike it as a Prima design and think Primina suits her better.
No.21209
>>16494Eleanor isn't even that popular anymore