No.27706
https://www.youtube.com/live/9Mm1TIG0A_k?si=p6-jq2UN799XPZpfThe presentation is here for those who want it. It should be the very last one in this stream archive. The specific section is about 5 hours and 15 minutes in.
No.27707
That's fascinating. It's clear that Crypton has a vision for voice synthesis that's very different from the SV-type direction. SV is basically iterating on traditional Vocaloid workflows with a more detailed timbre, and here NT is rethinking it with a simpler timbre.
I appreciate the unique perspective, it's good for the scene. All Crypton has to do now is make NT sounds as good as, like, vocaloid2, lol.
No.27708
>>27707I think they do sound pretty V2-ish now compared to before but regardless there’s definitely still room for improvement, especially with the loud engine noise. With that in mind I’m curious how it’s going to all work out. I remember Noboru (Internet co’s pres) expressing interest in the past. I imagine a Gumi themed editor lol
No.27726
>>27705Does that imply the possibility of non-crypton NT banks?
No.27753
>>27726Not just that, but think of potential third parties also bundling in their own editors. For example if we got GUMI NT but she came with a Megpoid Editor. It’s still NT2, but you can make your own creative application with the engine.
No.27754
Tei NT... I want to believe...
No.27755
>>27753Can't wait for Hatsune Gumi, Hatsune IA and Hatsune Flower
No.27767
>>27756NT sounds as bad if not worse. Or at least the non Miku banks do.
No.27777
>>27767Nah, NT actually sounds better now ngl. Cfgjndh Engine noise aside, there’s been small tweaks a lot of people haven’t really noticed, more specifically with the transitions between notes. SP is really choppy, current version NT2 is smooth. I should probably make another render for reference but I have a cover on my second channel I made with an old file during the NT2 beta. Loading the file now, gets different results. There’s not a lot of good examples of it admittedly, but that’s quite literally how I am able to tell the difference between SP and NT now lol
I do have concerns to some others with banks sounding “mikufied” as well but I think we might be safe if it’s a potential third party bank.
No.27778
Non-crypton NTs would be a good thing now that i think about it because when was the last time we got a voicebank that wasnt AI
No.27781
>>27778Aside from Rei sometime this month, I think it was SP. I’m not sure if NT2 is necessarily the same synthesis method? It seems like it’s a hybrid of waveform and AI now? I’m not sure though. Someone can probably explain it better than me.
No.27789
>>27781I don't think NT is AI(?)
No.27790
>>27778Without counting Rei who hasn't been released yet there was SP and Rin/Len ST.
No.27796
>>27789If you watch the whole presentation they explain the Tech and M9 engine. It does use neural networking for the processing but the banks themselves still use samples and stuff. Like I said, it seems like it’s a hybrid now. NT1 was Spectral Resynthesis for reference. It could still be Resynthesis but use AI now but it’s funky. This is the most information we have on how M9 works in NT2 right now but I can’t really explain it or properly understand it.
No.27797
>>27790Didn’t count Rin/Len NT because I’m not completely sure about NT2’s engine rn be it looks like a hybrid of some kind.
No.27860
>>27797Even if it's a hybrid it sounds like the sample based voicebanks so i'm cool with third party NTs. Hope we get Kaai Yuki or Gakupo who have been stuck in their respective engines for like a decade now.
No.27921
>>27860I wouldn't count on it
No.28497
>>27796To me this sounds like they use some sort of "AI resampler".
No.28498
>>28497i'm pretty sure hifisampler for utau already does something like this
No.28571
This is probably the only way we'll ever get a new Kaai Yuki voicebank
No.28572
>>28571wouldn't that depend on yamaha not crypton?
No.30875
>>28572It depends on Yamaha, AHS and her voice provider. Word on the street says AHS actually wanted to make Yuki for SynthV but Yamaha didn't let them use the Vocaloid era recordings to train the voicebank.
So who knows.
No.30894
>>30875Half true. This comes from one of the AHS livestreams. The one for Miki and Kiyoteru’s announcement iirc. Their specific wording was that in order to create the bank they want, they would need to negotiate with Yamaha about using her Vocaloid 4 bank and data. There’s no confirmation that negotiations have happened. For all we know they got the okay, then the plan changed with SV2.
No.30900
>>30894It's gonna come out, trust