No.25490
It's crazy that they all just got discontinued like that due to PFX shutting down
I had hopes for Maghni AI but until I see actual progress i'm not too excited
No.25493
>>25492First time i see art of Cyber Songman
No.25503
I miss the Zero G's but at least a lot of those aren't discontinued, just abandoned
No.25509
I'll do anything for Oliver and Fukase to make a revival. I feel like as soon as either of them get a new voicebank release there'll be a lot of English producers who are sentimental enough about them to make a solid wave of new originals. Although it would also be nice if people also just returned to these older less fancy VBs like they do with UTAU Teto for the sake of the unique artificial sound.
No.25510
>>25509Hate to be the bearer of bad news but I don’t think the English scene is going to change much with Oliver and Fukase, especially since Fukase has the strict licensing that is once again active.
No.25512
>>25509Oliver was gonna be on Maghni but god knows if that'll ever come out
No.25513
>>25511I don't know if it counts but Yohioloid AI was allegedly planned before his voice provider decided to go on schizo rants on Twitter
No.25515
>>25513wasn't that back in 2021?
No.25516
>>25515Yeah, he was planned for Maghni though
No.25517
>>25510Never knew about the licensing issue until I just Googled it. The more I learn about voicebank licenses the more I realize just how little any given vocal synth's relevancy is actually dictated by their popularity and fanfare. The dissonance between demand and supply is so surreal.
No.25518
>>25517Fukase's licensing issues are kind of a meme in the Vocaloid community. Po-uta also has the same license curse and you can't use him to make songs about "feminine hygiene".
No.25519
>>25511This is why Gackpo hasn’t gotten a V6 yet.
>>25513There was no plans afraid. This goes for Oliver as well despite what it may seem like. Early on it was hard to figure out what rights VocaTone had with the characters, so despite having plans for a project with Oliver early on, it was not for a voicebank. With what happened with Yohio, it was just the nail in the coffin. What I can say is that a year or two ago they seemed to be reconsidering based on a few tweets on personal accounts but nothing came from it. At least with Oliver it’s just a matter of Maghni getting finished now.
>>25518Admittedly the feminine hygiene thing, as funny as it is, is pretty reasonable because I don’t think Porter wants his voice to be used for a topic he doesn’t really have authority on.
No.25521
>>25519I could understand not wanting his voice used for NSFW songs and such but feminine hygiene is so oddly specific that it's funny
No.25523
In my restless dreams, I see those pads...
No.25530
>>25519Do we have any AI voicebanks based on popular singers?
No.25532
>>25530We have AI voicebanks based on seiyuus that sing such as GUMI and Koharu Rikka, but as for actual singers (without counting utaite) I can only think of Po-uta, who isn't even Japanese.
No.25536
>>25535To this day I still want a Nanahira commercial voicebank. I know we have Haruka Nana but let's face it she's never getting updated.
No.25546
>>25545Voicevox is one of those engines i forget exists
No.25552
>>25550Nice, i can totally hear Nanahira's singing voice in this
No.25554
>>25503What's Zero G's excuse again?
No.25556
>>25554Companies are afraid of taking risks these days so if I had to guess they probably don't want to lose money. ENGloids are already a niche market. Not to mention that Zero-G's relationship with Yamaha soured after V5 and the unexpected cancellation of Sonika V4.
No.25586
>>25530Not going to say po-uta because Porter is more a producer that sings haha. Really if you mean celebs in that sense, don’t really have that many that we are aware of. There’s a few micro ones on SynthV but majority of non-Utau banks on V6 are voice actors as per the usual.
No.25587
>>25586Porter is hardly a celeb but he's been singing since his first album so idk why you wouldn't classify him as a singer
No.25589
>>25554Fees across popular vocal synths are too expensive for them pretty much. They were considering one but that was years ago and is likely no longer going to happen.
>>25556Surprisingly, conversations I’ve had with others tell me a different story. Some people had been told by Yamaha that they should reach out to zero-g in regards to their projects. So despite what it looks like on the outside, they actually do still have a relationship, even if these days it is just buying new stock.
No.25590
>>25589Do your friends work at Yamaha or something
No.25592
>>25587Again, it’s mostly the production work. Not talking down of course, I love Porter haha, but yeah, he doesn’t sing in every song and there’s still that good chunk where his voice is edited in production. He can sing, but it’s just his production I’d say speaks more about his talents. It’s really more a matter of opinion but it’s really just I’d say he’s one aspect more than the other.
No.25593
>>25590Nope, these were acquaintances who were interested in indie development at the time who just approached me for advice since I had spoken with a team member before haha.
>>25591Sonika was separate from this afraid.
No.25594
>>25593Fsr my trip code disappeared here lol
No.25596
>>25593Tell that team member that the world needs Sonika V6
No.25601
>>25596A lot of people gotta go to zero-g for that afraid. Words from my own end wouldn’t do much sadly. I really can’t give any good news there as it’s not my place.
No.25603
>>25601Alright I'm setting up that Change.org petition that will totally reach 5000 signatures and will totally reach Zero-G and will totally lead to a new Sonika voicebank being created
No.25606
We're gonna be okay Sonikabros
No.25623
>>25589So is it a matter of injecting hopium into your veins at this point?
No.25644
>>25623If you wanna gaslight yourself.
No.25656
>>25606>>25623Hate to be that guy but the chances of Zero-G coming back and making a new Sonika voicebank are non existent. Pray to whatever god you believe in if you want a miracle like that to happen.
No.25661
>>25656I believe in Sonika
No.26639
>>25485Oliver is so tall in this pic
No.30325
I don't feel so good oliverbros
No.30333
>>30325WGBO, Oliver will live on as a discontinued V3 just like Piko
No.30455
>>30444we'll be fine somehow
No.30462
Everything will be fine oliverbros
No.30949
I'm still mad
No.34479
My son Oli is in the hands of a company that can't do anything right... makes me wonder how the same company managed to release him back in 2011
No.34484
>>34479I assume PFX carried
No.34486
>>34484Yeah pretty sure that's the case, VocaTone just had to design and program while PFX did everything else
No.34489
>>34479>>34486Anders also had a hand in developing them if i'm not mistaken
No.34490
>>34488I feel like the original Engloids truly died when this guy quit. After that no other company ever offered to make a new Engloid or update the existing ones. Zero-G had plans with Sonika but we all know how that went.
No.34492
>>34491They still do it in Japan I'm pretty sure
No.34494
>>34490Misha claimed a while ago that Anders got blackballed by Yamaha and it completely fucked over the ENgloid scene
No.34495
>>34494I think the same happened with Zero-G
No.34500
>>34495I heard Zero-G just had terrible timing with the release of V5 and it made them stop wanting to dev for Vocaloid
No.34501
>>34493As long as there is delusion there is hope
No.34509
Years ago a new UNI voicebank seemed impossible. Don't lose hope just yet.
No.34513
>>34494>>34500I can explain both of these. Anders’ role, as explained to me years back was that Anders’ acted as an ambassador to connect the English companies with Yamaha. Unfortunately, as we now know, Anders (as well as former PFX CEO Bil Bryant). Are not the best people. He founded VocaTone and brought on several users from the VO forums, at the time all minors with no pay. Of course we know what happened to them.
Anders’ also had some involvement with Zero-G’s work as well. I’m not sure exactly when he ceased working with Zero-G, but I want to assume he hasn’t been involved with the company since before work started on Sonika V4.
There were a good few rumours that floated around for a bit about the English companies being blacklisted, however, after learning so much over the years, I don’t think it was the companies being blacklisted as much as it was him and Bil themselves.
I am pretty sure the Sonika V4 cancellation was definitely just a result of V5 coming and poor timing. When I was still looking into possibly creating my own bank, one of my contacts at the time reached out to me with an email from Yamaha that advised them to reach out to Zero-G about development.
I’ll make the rest of this a separate post because it gets into ViVi.
No.34515
>>34513I can’t say this with certainty as I’ve only heard this bit from one person. So please take this remainder with a grain of salt.
I’m not sure when it was founded, but sometime after Bil Bryant left PFX, him and Anders went to found a new company. This would be the company that originally created Vivi. Sadly I do not have a name so it’s not something that can exactly be searched, most of the information about Vivi is hard to search anyways.
This company supposedly brought on a new group of minors and all were supposedly going to eventually have their banks made. Tmk the company had not reached out to Yamaha and acquired the development license or paid fees, instead they used and copied existing kits they already had from their last ventures. I think in a similar fashion to VocaTone and PowerFX, the plan was to develop the banks as this new company but have Zero-G distribute which would explain why the zero-g logo is on the few photos of Vivi’s box.
This is of course where the public story begins to blend with what’s public knowledge. Eventually Yamaha finds out about the project and deny its existence. I’m not sure what documents were sent, but I know for certain that it resulted in the closure of this new company before anything else could happen.
Tmk Anders has not been in the scene now for a long time, but pretty much, without someone to act as an ambassador, it became hard for new companies to reach out to Yamaha and those who had heard of the issues before already had a bad impression of things.
No.34535
>>34513>>34515So tl;dr: PFX is guilty of child labour and Yamaha found out?
That's another one for the iceberg.
No.34657
>>34535Idk if I’d say all of PFX, but Bil and Anders definitely, 2 times even lol
I’m sure PFX was still able to maintain a relationship with Yamaha so they could keep restocking banks until a year or two ago after Bil left. Unfortunately, while Anders does seem to be gone, Bil is still lurking around.
No.34664
>>34657He could be in this very thread. He could be you, he could be me, he could even be-
No.34723
>>25511Old post is old but we did get an AI voicebank based on Porter Robinson for V6. Then again, it's V6, which is not exactly known for its realism or high quality.
No.34735
>>34723Po-uta was also not intended to be realistic in the slightest
No.34746
>>34735Having a fear of menstrual pads isn't realistic
No.34842
>>34746I mean, that was put there clearly because he doesn't want his voice to be used to speak on a product he can't and doesn't need to use irl. I don't think he's exactly scared of them lol
No.34933
>>34842It's just really specific though
No.35020
>>34933I mean, if you were a dude that had his voice on vocaloid, would you want your voice to be used on a topic that you as a person wouldn't want to be a voice for? It's specific but perfectly normal, like not wanting to have your voice be used for political beliefs that don't reflect your own. The only difference is it's about menstrual health.
No.35021
>>34933His voice also bans NSFW, violence, and things like drugs if my memory's correct, so he has the strictest guidelines of any non-UTAU vsynth I actually know of. That said, considering it's an AI voicebank which is named and designed after him, I can see why. Seeing a self insert used by others for unscrupulous things is probably a very strange situation for most people to put it lightly.
No.35022
>>35021pesky no-fun-allowed licenses...
but funny enough, I cant imagine anyone using pouta for anything of that sort. Because it's literally just porter robinson X.X
No.35023
>>35021The license is actually pretty standard across Yamaha’s licenses last I checked. The biggest difference is the menstrual stuff. There’s a lot of other vocaloids with similar licenses however a lot of these clauses tend to get ignored and are more so protections in regards to corporate entities.
Miku is a very good example of this. Technically half the songs we make with her aren’t supposed to exist but because it’s usually individuals and not corporations, it doesn’t get enforced, plus CFM seems to include them in concerts anyways lol so it’s not as big a deal as it seems.
The clauses at the end of the day are to protect the VP. You can probably get away with some of the topics mentioned as long as it’s not the focus of the entire song.
No.35031
>>35023What's really ironic about CFM not allowing NSFW content is that Miku might actually be the most lewded fictional character in history. I guess they just really do not enforce any of those rules.
No.35056
>>35031Rule34 comes for every Vocaloid, whether they realize it or not, and no one can stop it.
No.35059
>>35058One day, and she’ll never see it coming
No.35069
>>35056>every VocaloidYou'll be surprised how many vocaloids actually don't have any nsfw art. Dex, Daina, Bruno, Clara, every V1 excluding Kaito and Meiko, Gekiyaku, Fuiro, etc. I could go on.