No.21968
>>21967 (me)
I mean a vocal synth software, not a voicebank
No.21970
Ask Kanru Hua. I would guess hard.
No.21971
Ask that QueueSevenM guy on Kissu
No.21972
Does it even need to be specifically that? Since at bare minimum any music software and carefully arranged and edited audio files can be made into vocals. Also depends do you want the whole thing from scratch or just make a front end GUI to a backend software? Im no programmer though but did a little beginner stuff in past.
No.21983
I’ve been interested in doing this myself too but I know Jack about code lol
Honestly trying to make a UI for an existing engine like UTAU or DiffSinger probably is good start for practice, then you can prob move into making your own.
Iirc SynthV used Moresampler as a base(?)
No.21986
>>21983>SynthV used Moresampler as a basehuh?
No.21990
>>21986Kanru made moresampler.
No.21991
>>21990Thought you were saying SV was built on top of the code for Moresampler
No.21994
If I recall correctly, SynthV was re-built from scratch 5 times, and that’s why it’s V. Probably Moresampler was used for the first version. Honestly I think the auto-tuning in SynthV is more important than the audio quality though.
No.21998
>>21994I thought the V just stood for Vocal not roman numeral 5. Do people in Japan even use roman numerals that often?
No.22005
>>21998He was in America for a while, or at least Moresampler’s hosting situation would suggest that. It was on a university website I think
No.22013
>>21998Fun fact, SynthV is a really clunky name in Japanese. Iirc AHS didn't like it.
No.22015
>>22013Too bad even before Kanru took over the name was already solidified as a brand
No.22017
>>22013Well what do they call it
No.22023
>>22017They use the English abbreviations, but it's like "shinsebui" or "esubui", which doesn't roll off the tongue like "vocalo"
No.22711
>>21983I think it'd be funny if we could make a Vocal synth but to be honest it feels like there's an oversaturation of synths right now: Vocaloid, SynthV, UTAU, Voisona, Cevio, ACE, VOX Factory, Maghni, Mikoto, etc.
Also no one here knows how to train a DiffSinger so I doubt anyone here would know how to code a vsynth from scratch.
No.22712
>>22711On second thought, Maghni probably isn't even coming out so you can take it off the loooong list of synths, but even then there's still more I haven't named.
No.22728
>>22711Oversaturation aside, there isn't really a niche market we could target if we were to make a synth. ACE, UTAU and Mikoto already cover community made 'loids, Maghni (if it comes out) covers the PFX ENGloids and SV, VoiSona and Vocaloid cover everything else.
No.22746
>>22728Maybe mobile users? Yeah open utau is available on android, but not iOS.
No.22748
>>22728Doing it for fun is also allowed
No.22750
>>22746Being a mobile producer sounds painful. There are no good DAWs on iOS/Android.
No.22771
>>22748Seconding this. Can do it just for the sake of doing it.
No.22772
>>22771I'm not against it but there's so many synths no one uses these days
No.22801
I should mention there is not much point unless you do something unique like a new type of vocal synthesis method, a way to control it live or a lot of automated processes that make producing easier and without locking down creativity.
No.22812
>>22801Yeah, there's no point in making a vocal synth unless it brings something new to the table. I think an AI powered synth like SynthV with the same quality but free would be a game changer but at the same time DiffSinger exists.
No.22818
>>22812NEUTRINO also exists. I have mixed feelings on the machine learning "AI" synthesis method. While I like some realistic vocals if unique but I still also like the unique sound of older methods being akin to autotune, vocoder and talkbox being their own sounds.
No.22821
>>22818There was a thread on this board about how sample based synthesizers are dying in favor of AI ones. However i think that Mikoto Studio engine that's coming out soon is a non AI engine.
No.22851
>>22821Hate to break it to you but Mikoto uses AI too. It does support UTAU banks though and will likely have its own non-AI voicebanks built in.
No.23360
>>21967If you make a new synth make it sample based because there's an oversaturation of AI synths
No.24130
>>21983Idk why but this post reminded me that some company was making a vsynth but the UI was entirely vibecoded so they had to redo it from scratch lol. Forgot which engine it was.
No.26888
UTAU already covers the sample based voicebank niche and SV covers the AI stuff.
What would you add to your synth to make it unique?.
No.26890
>>26888Probably XSY but I mean... UTAU V already covers that
No.26895
>>26888I’d make a synth that’s a clutch for people who can’t sing. Think synthesizer V and vocaflex, but one package. With multiple languages support and also different accents for the English vocals (you can make yourself sound Australian for example)
Another idea is more gimmicky, but maybe a software for AI virtual vtubers, but with focus on singing that also takes care of lipsync.
And a really bad idea, but maybe cloud-based vsynth that’s the same as any other BUT with a gacha for voicebanks. There would be limited time voicebanks too for max FOMO.
No.26896
>>26895You're giving bad people good ideas with that last one
No.26903
>>26895>Gacha vocalsynthAnon if this ever becomes a thing it'll be your fault and I'll hate you forever
No.26910
>>22737ACE isn't that bad honestly, its just that their pandering to AIbros ruined their rep
No.27139
>>26895>Think synthesizer V and vocaflex, but one packageThere's already DiffSinger and RVC, both of which are free
No.27147
>>22023What about Shinsego?
No.27150
Come to think about it there aren't many western vocal synths besides Maghni, Mikoto and possibly some of the VST based synths, right?
No.27151
>>27150UTAU is mostly popular over here but it's made by a Japanese dude so I don't count it
No.27158
>>27151UTAU
IS popular in Japan. It's only niche among producers.
No.27604
Someone should grab that idea of a Western Otaku TTS and make it real. But ideally as an indie non profit project.
No.27634
Just watched this, it gave me a new understanding of the purpose of VXB, but leaving here since they do essentially as for a call to developers, so if anyone does decide to make their own vocal synth, I would probably take away a few things from it.
Specifically, it's a presentation Yamaha gave yesterday about Omnivocal, which is essentially a rebranded vxb but exclusively for cubase. If anyone wants a specific idea for singing synth software, this is likely the route to go. The video should be timestamped, but if there are any issues, it's about 5 hours in.
https://youtu.be/JqbufmjUujU?t=18248