No.21645
Most unashamedly corpo, AI-ds ridden vocalsynth available on the market. Makes SynthV look like DV/UTAU in that regard.
A damn shame that good voicebanks like Ritsu and Ruko ended up on this thing instead of an engine people actually use.
No.21648
>>21645that's cause aibros are their target audience
No.21653
>>21652ACE has a bad rep because of how it markets itself, but what you said is true about most non-JP/non-EN music. A lot of the Vocaloid community in general is sleeping on producers/songs that are neither Japanese or English.
No.21656
>>21653Some great stuff here btw
>>15395 No.21657
>>21655At least the Engloid developers tried. Zero-G were the first to try to appeal to the otaku crowd (initially with Sonika and then Avanna, Daina and Dex) and PowerFX followed with the Big AL redesign and every voicebank they made post-AL.
Ace on the other hand tries to be more than just a vocal-synth, in fact the site for Ace calls it an "all-in-one music studio", and on top of that it shoves AI into everything it can, making it appealing to AIbros and those Youtube music production guys.
No.21663
>>21652I'll admit it. ACE does sound good.
But it's not made for the average vocaloid fan.
No.21685
Overhated, can’t name a single thing they’ve done that other vsynth companies haven’t
(I’m biased because they have Tianyi and a lot of my favorite UTAU)
No.21687
Their engine is good but I don't have the greatest opinion of MGMT and marketing
No.21764
>>21644I'm probably in the minority here but I like ACE as an engine. If you ignore all the AI kuso it's actually prety good and Ritsu sounds amazing on it.
No.21788
>>21766If only the tuning was as good as in the UTAU cover, and the video was better synced with the song...
No.21811
ACE has banks that interest me but aside from the controversies, the pricing is horrendous and keeps me away regardless.
No.21834
>>21811Yar har fiddle dee dee
No.21863
>>21834>>21850i don't think that's happening because the rendering is cloud based so it won't work similar to how adobe cloud stuff doesn't work yk
No.21871
>>21863Couldn't people just capture the audio output from previews? Or is the preview quality always worse than the final output?
No.21936
>>21644I don't exactly hate ACE but I know the rest of the community does do putting a beloved voicebank on it is basically setting it up for failure
No.21945
>>21936Same here. Ritsu AI had potential.
No.21956
I got recommended their twitter page randomly (or not), and it's got a particular vibe that I don't think the "AI bro" reputation really captures. It's 90% Vocaloid fandom posts interspersed with the most corpo AI shit ever. Like, they just collabed with HoneyWorks and 40mP, and they constantly promote small Vocaloid producers, but then they launched an AI background music generator to compete with Suno.
I've heard things about how mainland China doesn't have much of a cultural stigma surrounding AI, so maybe that has something to do with it.
No.21957
>>21956>ChineseOkay that explains a lot actually. A lot of the AI tools you often see are developed in China. They love their AI kuso over there.
No.21984
>>21957How do Chinese artists and fandoms feel about it, are they the same way? I’d expect them to mind even if the general populace doesn’t
No.21985
>>21984Probably, but the companies sure don't
No.21987
>>21863This is what I was thinking. It renders over the cloud too iirc. Voicebanks tmk aren’t stored locally like VoiSona or SynthV2.
No.21988
>>21984I don’t know about other fandoms and artists and AI tools in general but tmk, aside from the vsingers, ACE hasn’t had a lot of success in Mainland China at all. Even with the Vsingers factored in, they still seem to prefer the older banks than use their ACE ones.
No.22155
I wonder if ACE would have a better rep if they didn't pander to AIbros. There's the shotacon dev incident but that's a nothingburger and most people already forgot about it anyway.
No.22156
>>22155no they'd just be another obscure synth like vox factory that no one would've heard about unless a vipperloid got released on it
No.22169
>>22155I have heard rumours that the guy is gone.
I'll never forget when the CEO emailed me asking about why people hate ACE so much, only to basically give producers a huge slap to the face after.
Joe never emailed me again.
No.22170
>>22169>the CEO emailed me asking about why people hate ACE so muchwat?
No.22238
>>22170>>22171I wish I was joking. He emailed me after I made a comment about the Clara sorace banks. Caught me tf off guard.
No.22245
>>22238>>22169That's really sketchy but at the same time you could've told them that people hate ACE because it's as corpo as a vocal synth can get
No.22247
>>22155I sincerely don't care what the developers of a vocalsynth jerk off to. Most of us dislike Ace because of the subscription model and their strange way of marketing to pros while still releasing voicebanks for 2ch otaku.
No.22249
>>22247With FAN-ding being a thing there's a chance we'll see more vipperloids on the Vocaloid engine
Currently i don't think we're gonna get Teto but it would be really funny if we did and you can bet that her fans would fund her within less than a minute of the campaign being up
No.22289
>>22245At the time that wasn’t the biggest issue with it as much as it was just them having scummy employees and not saying anything about it (which is on purpose, any criticism or rumours they hear about they choose not to address). It was shortly after things kinda just got more fucked. Even if the scummy guys are gone like I said, there’s still the fact they don’t give a shit about their consumers opinions.
No.22348
>>22247I think that with vocal synths you either appeal to otaku or suits and there's no in between even if you have the "pro" voicebanks on an engine like Vocaloid or the "otaku" banks on engines like Ace.
No.22402
>>22247Same like I’m a shotacon/lolicon too I just don’t particularly care one way or another about ACE
Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail No.22960
>>22169Did they reach out to other producers or just you