No.21484
A new singing synthesizer by ExpressiveLabs that claims to be easy to use and compatible with UTAU voicebanks. The crowdfunding campaign starts on April 1st.
https://x.com/expressivelabs/status/2036956525223113012https://mikoto.studio/crowdfund<Can i become a voice provider?Yis...
https://expressivelabs.net/talent No.21486
>>21485Your utau probably needs to be somewhat popular to get in. Riko's relatively underground and no one outside this site knows her so i doubt she'd make it. Plus there's the whole thing about her being a pee obsessed schizo, she'd have to get the Tei treatment to end up on a commercial engine.
No.21488
>April 1st
either they chose the worst date possible or it's nothing
No.21490
>>21486Everyone says this about Tori but Ritsu is arguably more edgy and he's on every commercial engine ever
No.21506
What exactly makes this software any different than UTAU other than the UI being more akin to V6?
>>21490Tori isn't even meant to be edgy, just eccentric.
No.21611
So ... UTAU with a modern UI?
No.21613
>>21611i think its supposed to be like early vocaloid but it just happesn to have utau compatibility
No.21617
>>21613They made a blog post where they basically try to sell it as a user-friendly UTAU alternative. It does have its own engine though.
https://blog.expressivelabs.net/build-the-future-of-singing-synthesis-with-us/ No.21618
>>21617Nice. With this, Tunelab and OpenUTAU producers have no excuse not to use UTAU now.
No.21619
>>21618i think utau already is more popular than it was 10 years ago, people like iyowa have been using it
No.21620
>>21618Don't forget SynthU, which is being made by the original creator of UTAU
But it is unknown what happened to it or if its still being developed
No.21621
Since Mikoto supports AI voicebanks have they said anything about DiffSinger support?
No.21623
I'm just wondering whether the crowdfund will work out. Maghni got 43k, and this is asking for 35k...
No.21624
>>21623Samefag but I'm dumb and didn't realize it was euros. They're pretty much asking for the same amount then.
No.21628
The current Maghni team isn't to blame for the failure of the project.
No.21630
>>21611From what i understand its utau but easier to use and with its own resampler
No.21632
I'm still sad about maghni
No.21824
>>21484All cases of imported UTAU voicebanks onto this synth I've seen make them sound worse, if anything. You'd be better off using regular UTAU
No.21826
>>21824I already use UTAU with HiFiSampler and it sounds the same as Vocaloid did during its glory days
No.21827
>>21826Exactly, so what's the incentive from Mikoto (besides UI)? I hope the engine has improved since their UTAU Day demos when they release the trial
No.21828
>>21827>trialare they making this a paid thing
No.21830
>>21829>Paid UTAUNo thanks
No.21833
Eh i dont know what this is but i'd prefer if maghni released. We're never getting that oliver voicebank.
No.21847
>>21827Supposedly they've posted demos of an AI engine on their dicksword
No.22144
>>22140Sounds like a more robotic DiffSinger
(still somehow better than V6) No.22152
>>22140People in this thread made it sound like it was going to be worse but honestly its not really that bad
No.22235
>>21628They’re still to blame for the active silence. People don’t think they’re entirely being honest rn either. A lot of the current team is still from the old team.
No.22277
>>22235All i want this year is an update on Maghni
No.22278
>>22277The Zero-Gloids and PowerFXloids are equally dead. A lot of people don't wanna hear this but it's time to let go of the past and accept that one of those companies is dead while the other wants nothing to do with vocal synthesis anymore.
No.23275
So what do we think of Mikoto?
No.23281
>>23275It's better than i expected but I'm not sure if I'm willing to pay for what's essentially just UTAU with a better UI.
No.23286
>>23275Doesn't look too bad but i really think it should be free
No.23295
>>23275The ToU is really irresponsible and I’d even coin the term Anti-Vocaloid for it
No.23298
>>23295>Do not misrepresent our characters in any way. Examples of this include: […] Creating alternative versions of our characters. […] Do not alter the output of our products using voice changing software beyond minor edits.That, the requirement to put copyright disclaimers on your work, and the clause in the TOS that lets them resell your uploads look pretty busted. It kind of reads like their business strategy is to capture UTAU users and put them in a walled garden.
No.23299
>>23298<you shall not create derivatives/redesigns<you shall not mix your fucking audiothis is how this reads to me. incredibly stupid if true.
No.23300
>>232991st one is definitely what they mean. 2nd one they specify “izotope products and Melodyne” as minor edits which is not really clear.
No.23301
>>23300>IzotopeThey make software and VSTs for mixing and mastering audio (usually vocals). Vocal doubler, Ozone Imager, Nectar and RX Pro are some of the stuff they've made
and that I own.
>MelodyneAn autotune software similar to NewTone but (in my opinion) better. If I had to guess it's what VocaP's use to make their vocaloids sound even more robotic. I know a lot of rappers use it.
No.23302
>>23301Yeah, I mean they seem like examples of standard vocal processing. It makes it seem like if you wanted to, like, crush/distort/chop up the vocal heavily to use as a background element in a track it’d be against TOU, which is bizarre. But I’d also imagine that would be doable through izotope products.
No.23303
>>23302I can't believe they've managed to come up with guidelines more absurd than Fukase's.
No.23304
>>23302I assume they're trying to ban RVC and stuff like that? It's worded really weirdly though
No.23305
where are you guys even reading the ToU
No.23308
>>23306Ok from what i see here you're allowed to create alt designs and outfits, you just can't change the character's age, gender, etc (so genderswaps are banned i guess?).
But what gets me the most is the rule against vocal processing, what's the point of banning that when putting effects on the vocal track is pretty much essential to make your music not sound like shit?.
Also
>Users assume full liability to hold or obtain the necessary rights to background music, instrumental tracks, additional voice library characters from other companies, and/or any elements of the work that they did not create. ExpressiveLabs will not be held responsible for the abuse of copyrights or other license rights by the user.Does this imply you can't make covers either? Why?
No.23309
>>23307It says "unless explicitly specified" so it's technically allowed.
Some of these terms are pretty bizarre though, maybe it's a good thing Tori didn't end up on this engine.
No.23310
>>23304There is a separate clause for AI replication of the vocals.
>>23308I assume this is a CYA for the company but it’s worded in a way that feels restrictive, especially in the context of coverers getting bogus copyright strikes as we’ve seen recently.
No.23312
>>23309I couldn't find any stated exceptions on their site. It's really bizarre, why would we have to ask for permission to upload a song set in high school?
No.23313
Clearly a “we want no Zaako drama” clause that was handled poorly.
No.23314
If I wanted to make a voicebank I'd rather just get it on a different engine. What's the point of making a completely new engine when there are already well established ones?
It's like we are living in the V4 era except instead of voicebank oversaturation we now have engine oversaturation. Except in this case if their TOS is way too strict it affects way more than just one character.
No.23315
>>23275The software doesn’t seem to bring anything new to the table. Their rules against vocal processing also basically prevent anyone with a stylized or robotic tuning style (me!) from using it.
This project has also realized my worst fear: VSynth companies heavily censoring people in order to appeal to the Western market. Imagine if Crypton banned reinterpretations of Miku’s character, Vocaloid culture would not exist today. I barely had interest in Mikoto prior to this too, they’re never getting a cent from me lol. I miss Maghni.
No.23316
>>23315> I miss Maghni.I don’t honestly. Vocaloid/SynthV as commercial singing synths plus UTAU/Diffsinger as the FOSS alternatives (for robotic/realistic niches respectively) is a fine equilibrium to me.
No.23317
>>23316i think i speak for everyone when i say we wanted maghni for the pfx vocals
No.23318
>>23316>>23317>>23315Hard to miss Maghni when we never got it in the first place. If anything I miss my money.
No.23322
>>23318Technically it's still in dev but if they end up canceling it I hope they refund people.
No.23326
>>23317Yeah pretty much this
I only looked forward to Maghni because of Oliver and BigAL
The radio silence makes me anxious and I didn't even fund the project so I can only imagine how it must feel for those who did
No.23329
my favorite part of the nsfw policy
>The following things are not allowed when depicting any of our products:
>Uncensored nudity
almost defeats the whole point of it
No.23332
>>23313The Zaako incident was the biggest nothingburger in Vocaloid history and was extremely blown of proportion by the western fandom. I'm surprised people are still bitching about it to this day.
No.23339
>>23314>It's like we are living in the V4 era except instead of voicebank oversaturation we now have engine oversaturationReally does feel like it sometimes