No.19614
I wasnt sure if this best goes in /leek/ or /g/ but I'm curious what everyone uses for all your ~loid needs? Do you use more YouTube, Niconico, or Bilibili or all of them? Do you use web interface or apps? What apps do you use?
I currently still use videos from YouTube primarily because Niconico sometimes wont load for me and only goes to 720p and on the site itself I am often region blocked out it seems but I may start using it more if it becomes more convenient than YouTube to do so. I know a lot of producers release on Niconico first but do many only use Niconico?
App wise on Android I primarily use PipePipe (previously called AnimePipe) as is which is a fork of NewPipe that you can watch YouTube, Niconico and Bilibili videos on. I have noticed YouTube often blocks my IP so I have to reset my IP and watch some videos in YouTube's app letting some ads through to work again for that. Niconico features breaks a lot but they still are development so often it gets fixed in a few days, this is due to the site often changing how it embeds videos.
https://f-droid.org/packages/InfinityLoop1309.NewPipeEnhanced/https://github.com/InfinityLoop1308/PipePipeI had intended to try out Grayjay more since cleaner interface but while they do have YouTube and Bilibili they do not yet have a Niconico plugin for whatever reason even though they have everything else including Odysee, PeerTube, and Twitch etc. Also has a desktop version.
https://grayjay.app/https://github.com/futo-org/grayjay-androidhttps://github.com/futo-org/Grayjay.DesktopBoth of these let you follow similar to how an RSS feed works so you dont necessarily have to log in but you can if you like.
No.19615
I have used YouTube all my life. Sometimes NicoNico if the song isn't on YouTube (for example most Vocacolle songs on release).
No.19616
I use both the Youtube and Bilibili websites. I mainly discover new music through the home page recommendations on Bilibili but I have also had new songs I've liked come up on Youtube radio autoplay. A lot of the Japanese/English songs on Bilibili are reuploads though, but most reposters do link back to the original links on nico or youtube.
No.19621
I subscribe to all of the above through RSS (Inoreader). Geneally I use Nico because it's the most comprehensive catalog since many producers aren't uploading to YouTube, but also because I'm a sucker that pays for premium. Nico was planning to get rid of user RSS feeds soon so I'll probably have to move a lot of them to external scrapers like RSSHub.
No.19626
I mostly just use Youtube for listening to music so the Revanced apps are good enough for me
No.19629
I use an RSS feed but for 39chan lol
No.19631
>>19629What's the benefit to using an RSS feed over checking the website? Not trying to be confrontational I'm genuinely curious.
No.19632
>>19631You get a notification every time there's a new post
No.19712
Youtube or Nicovideo
It depends on where the song is hosted
No.19846
I probably should have previously mentioned you dont need a VPN to get Nicovideos to load in PipePipe outside Japan.
No.25520
Just curious but did anyone here get to use Niconico back in the day to discover music? I know various Eng Sub channels took songs from there and reuploaded them on Youtube (reprints).
No.25524
>>25520I only use it during VocaColle for obvious reasons
No.25527
>>25520Like, during the sub era specifically? Since Nico's still around
No.25529
>>19631I use it just to check if anyone has replied to me but 39chan's RSS works so that you get a notificatiom every time there's a new post
No.25537
>>25520No. But I did sometimes visit to check out the scrolling comments. It’s a shame the comment region setting is so difficult to find now
No.25561
>>25520I honestly did not know of it till the 2020s so I never really explored Nicovideos till relatively recent.
No.25563
>>25520I did briefly, yeah, I love how reliable the tags are.
No.25567
>>25563It would be cool to browse a Youtube front-end with navigation by VocaDB tags.
No.25571
>>25567Not saying i can do it but i'd like to give it a try. What did you have in mind?.
No.25614
>>25571I'm basically imagining a Youtube-style interface, only displaying songs in VocaDB, with navigation by VocaDB tags.
My main gripe with VocaDB is that their view song on external site button is a hassle. My gripe with the YT Vocaran website is that old popular songs swamp the rankings, and there's not much filtering you can do. And for YT, the UI is good, but the algorithm has a tendency to route you towards the same videos often (moreso now that I don't log in there) and the ability to search is poor.
I think in my ideal world some website would frankenstein the best pars of those together for a vocaloid-focused experience. See pictures. Maybe there could be subscriptions for certain groups of tags (ex. make your own feed for Miku rock from XYZ artists).
No.25652
>>25537Don't tell me they removed the scrolling comments
No.25664
>>25652They’re still there, it’s just that if you’re located outside Japan and want to view the Japanese comments (nearly all of them) you have to navigate through a bunch of obscure, inscrutable menus.
No.25671
>>25664I just have to scroll to the bottom of the homepage and set it to Japanese occasionally
No.25689
>>25614This would be cool
No.25751
>>25614Is it possible to even pull this off with VocaDB's API?
No.25755
>>25751I’m not super into programming, and I only looked at their API documentation for a bit, but I guess maybe it is. I think the way to do it would be to cache all the needed information (links, titles, tags, thumbnails?) and refresh it once daily.
To limit the load on their servers you could limit it to songs posted within X years. Or, like, freeze everything posted over a year ago (assume the tags won’t change much) and then refresh the recent stuff once a day.
No.25758
>>25755 (Me)
Actually, no, the smarter way to query it would probably be like
>Songs over 1 year old: Refresh once per year>Songs over 1 month old: Refresh once per month>Songs under 1 month old: Refresh once per dayDepending on how big the database is and how often contributors add new info to old songs. I’m pretty sure I saw some kind of querying functionality so I’m assuming that kind of setup is possible. Totally an assumption, I don’t think I’ve used an API before ever. But I think all the information is there outside of the YT-based popularity metric for sorting, maybe there’s a way to get at something similar.
No.25759
>>25758 (Me)
Wait, no, I’m not done. Youtube’s API apparently gives you 10k tokens for free, and you should be able to pull 50 viewcounts per token, so 50k pieces of viewcount info per day. VocaDB seems like it has maybe 500k songs in it (just looked at their graphs page) so it would take maybe like 10 days to backfill viewcounts for all songs, fine, then you could set up some kind of system to prioritize viewcount refreshes going forward. Sounds fine. But I am thinking too hard about something I have no actual idea how to do.
No.25765
>>25762>>25763Few things worth mentioning:
* Tags are messy but they work and that's what matters
* I couldn't figure out a way of adding related songs like in anon's pic so I went with "More from artist" instead. VocaDB already has a feature like this but it kinda sucks.
* Site is a bit slow when it comes to loading results, probably because it uses the VocaDB API. But it's still faster than VocaDB itself.
* It's not finished, but it's usable. I'll post a link when it's a bit more stable.
No.25770
>>25762Awesome, looking forward to when you finish it
No.25781
>>25762Yeah, this looks great. Ideally the homepage has a recent/trending section.
I think there will be a need to save VocaDB’s database locally if this becomes public (their API calls out thousands of requests per day as being excessive) but this already looks useful to me.
No.25788
>>25763>>25762Is it vibecoded though? Not that I mind, as long as its usable, but I'm curious.
No.25789
>>25788Partially. There's things I couldn't figure out on my own that I admittedly had to resort to AIkuso for (seriously, working with APIs is hell). But for the most part, not really. Design was partially inspired by Invidious.
No.25797
>>25789How finished is it right now?
No.25859
>>25783neat project, excited for when it releases
No.25882
>>25880Might want to consider switching or mirror on Nekoweb. Supposedly it is better than Neocities outside of being less established community wise.
No.25883
What's the difference
No.25884
>>25883meant to quote
>>25882 No.25889
>>25883Nekoweb I heard has more functionality plus it is more otaku oriented.
No.25891
>>25883My understanding is that some people have beef with Neocities’ ownership for some reason. It’s also a bit cooler aesthetically for the reasons
>>25889 mentioned. I don’t think there’s a huge practical difference.
No.26925
>>19614I use both YT/NND.
For music discovery I use VocaDB.
No.27113
Seems I was wrong. Grayjay does have a Niconico plugin available, just was harder to find. Videos play with it like Pipepipe does, though seems search does not function properly for it at current moment on Android app.
No.27939
I prefer Niconico over Youtube cause it usually streams audio at higher bitrates (I've seen up to 256 kbps AAC). Also its Vocaloid recommendations just feel better to me imo, discovered tons of niche shit through it
Though I usually prefer downloading songs and loading them on my Navidrome server. Client side I use Feishin on PC and Tempus on Android (using mTLS for remote access)
No.27940
>>25781the entire VocaDB database can be downloaded at
https://github.com/blueset/vocaloid-database-dump#vocadb-database-dump (board won't let me post the original link for some reason), dump link seems to be updated monthly
not sure how to go about loading and parsing it though
No.27941
>>27940That's cool. Had no idea this exist.