No.18662[Last 50 Posts]
This is a thread for producers to talk about music production, DAWs, plug-ins, etc. Keep it vocalsynth related.
Producer collab thread:
>>10165PV Making Thread:
>>8291Original content thread:
>>10912 No.18814
Old Producer Thread
>>73Project File Finder
>>1093Synthesizer V
>>1720UTAU
>>482 and
>>227DiffSinger
>>51What Vocal-Synths Do You Own?
>>813Piracy
>>18125 and
>>127 (old one went off the rails)
Banned Voice-Banks
>>37You don't need to use these threads, I'm just linking them because they might contain information and resources that you're looking for.
No.18815
>>18814doing god's work anon
No.18829
>>18814Nah, the old thread was still on topic. The SynthV cracking team was shady. But anyway I don't wanna derail this one.
No.18845
Do you all use your mouse or MIDI keyboard for making chords & melodies? It seems this is the one thing stopping me. Any advice for people who’ve never finished a song?
No.18849
>>18845Mouse is fine unless you need to play something live. That said I’ve never finished a song either since I can’t into instrumentation, so grain of salt
No.18851
I recently installed OpenUtau and made this nonsense with Toriko from an old MuseScore thing I created years ago. I don't know what I'm doing.
Lyrics:
It's three AM
And I need to take a poo
So get out of the bathroom
'Cause I need to take a poo
>>18829Sorry I meant "off the rails" in the Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train sense, as in "this thread got a bit crazy". No.18864
https://voca.ro/15qtHOsDjgsvI'll probably never finish this song so here's the solo
No.18869
>>18864Are you a fan of Cyriak by chance? Sounds a lot like his music
No.18885
>>18662I always get so anxious to post my originals anywhere. I've been collabing a lot with one producer in particular and it's been going really well so far. I've been told my talent shines as far as tuning goes whereas my instrumentals are awful, so this lets me play to my strengths. All my originals except for one I unlisted have used wholoids simply because I love them
No.18896
>>18873I haven't heard of him, but I see what you mean. I like it. Appreciate the rec
No.18913
wip, i wasn't sure how to continue the second part or what to write for lyrics. i like the miku 'ah's in the background too much to abandon it though
https://voca.ro/1hYGTKEXdIAE No.18915
>>18913This sounds like something i'd hear in the background of a Japanese PS1 RPG game
No.18932
>>18913it sounds like something from an RPGMaker game and i really dig that
No.19064
>>18873Who's the Cyriak of Vocaloid?
No.19087
I am not really ready to make music, rather am just been messing around to get a feel for music through various means. Thought Id share something that can be used to get ideas without using AI junkware. A random music generator.
https://tones.wolfram.comIt is kind of fun to try to make chaos sound more musical but still chaotic. For example I made this from the random pattern it generated. You just have to pick the right instruments and roles and tuning and tempo to not make your ears bleed.
https://tones.wolfram.com/generate/G1GcD3MMDZhxhi7qg2CVa8ETago2w27ZfucrXUlYOKRd55S No.19089
>>19087Reminds me a little of Dunc's Algomusic
No.19520
I feel unable to write songs that aren't in 4/4 lately
No.19528
>>19520Do you listen to much in anything else?
No.20138
Anyone doing vocagathering this year? I would but i'm a procrastinator
No.20244
How important is knowing music theory and how do you go about learning it including the cord progressions a lot of Japanese musicians like to use?
No.20247
>>20244It's not important at all. You've probably heard this before but Kikuo's music teacher once told him not to learn music theory because it'd make his music boring.
I'm a producer myself and all the lyrics and melodies really just come from my mind, I never studied music.
No.20255
>>20247Interesting. I previously heard different elsewhere that learning music theory is good even if you don't follow all the rules since you don't have to do as much trial and error to find the rules again and know what rule you are breaking that works.
Lyrics in terms of how they flow are something I'd have little issue with...well in English anyway, since I have written poetry since I was a kid. Basically same thing more or less. It's just everything else I never figure how to put together too well nor have I had much luck learning on playing instruments either but that was all entirely self experimenting with no guidance whatsoever so not too much a surprise.
No.20256
>>20255Lyrics are my weak point just for the fact that I'm ESL. It makes me wonder how people like ippo.tsk do it. He's Indonesian but his lyrics are better than most of what American producers write.
No.20357
>>20256Pretty sure Indonesians use English too, I've seen a lot of them type sentences with words in their language and then it ends with a bunch of English ones
No.20630
>>20357Do they use it as their second language or something
No.21166
>>18845I use a mouse but you're probably better off using a Midi keyboard if you own one
No.21282
>>21166Yamaha psr260 good enough? I got that goofy cheesy sounding thing
No.21289
Unless you make really complex stuff i don't think you need a midi keyboard
No.21669
I have a question for producers
Do you hate your most popular song? And if so, why?
No.21670
>>21669Yeah. I think my most popular song (A Letter From) has some of my worst lyrics and doesn't represent my current style.
There was a time when I was proud of it but I realized it sounded too much like what everyone else was making, so starting with Fish I began putting more effort into my music and into trying to do my own thing. But unfortunately the letter song remains my most popular.
I also hate that people keep comparing it to that one beat_shobon song. Nothing against the guy, I love him in fact (no homo), but my song's got no similarities with his other than the use of Teto and "biggest fan" being in the lyrics. It gets tiring having to clarify that my song isn't meant to be a sequel, a prequel or a diss track to his song, its none of those things.
No.21673
>>21670You two should collab if you ever get the chance
No.21815
>>21669I don’t, but don’t see it as fully reflective of my current abilities.
I grew my skills a lot over the years and the one song I probably hate the most is the one I did with Tsudumi. It’s not the worst song I’ve ever made but that song I have always felt never accurately reflected what I was trying to say and it felt rocky all around.
As for what would be my most popular, there is two answers right now but neither I hate. Like I said I’ve just grown my skills. I would love to reapproach those themes in the future but I see them as stepping stones and think what I’m making now is stronger than before.
No.21817
>>21815I know you from the stickman song which i really liked
No.21894
>>21673Oh trust me it'd be a dream come true. But i'm a low profile guy and i don't usually interact with the community so the chances of me collaborating with anyone outside of my existing friend circle is very unlikely. I'm open to anything though.
No.21897
>>21894>i'm a low profile guy and i don't usually interact with the communityNot that anon but I respect that a lot
No.22004
If I ever get enough peace to try producing what do I do if I want to use live instruments but suck at playing? I may want to record my own samples or something but how do I do that without having to invest a ton of money into the best recording equipment? Also how do I even decide what vocal synth program to use?
No.22012
>>21817That song is genuinely so underrated tho. How did it not blow up?
No.22014
>>22004Honestly, you don’t need to have the best equipment or anything. First thing’s first is literally just to find an instrument you like and learn to play it. Don’t rush into recording the instrument right away if you don’t know how to play it otherwise you’re just going to get frustrated.once you feel confident, then start recording. Don’t worry about having amazing equipment in the beginning either if you’re on a tight budget. There’s lots of good budget options including used equipment. If you’re fortunate enough to have a local store, demo the equipment as well. Find what you like best.
As for picking a Vocaloid and software, either pick a character you like or narrow down your needs. There’s of course the free options like Utau and Diffsinger, we got our leekaloids, but if you want to use something commercial like vocaloid, free trials are your best friend. Don’t rush to pick either. There’s like a million options out there these days. Of course you could always just default to Miku or Teto as well but if you wanna use someone else, you got time.
No.22019
>>22012Because there's no OC in the MV
No.22085
>>22014Maybe not best but I figured mid range quality might be better to start than something very low quality for recording unless I want the characteristics of cheap microphones intentionally. Well yeah I know I couldn't use instruments without learning them which takes time and is why I brought up using them for making my own samples as one way to make use of my small eclectic collection of instruments. I also am into a large variety of music so I can see myself potentially being all over the place and getting nowhere as a result. Like the time I tried to learn 5 languages at once.
I of course know what characters and voicebanks I like, the issue is picking the right one for a song and knowing what software is easiest to work with without a huge learning curve and just trying a bunch out it can be difficult to have enough time with each to really get a proper feel but then there is the whole issue of some characters for some but not others or each program has it's own sound to it. Feels kind of overwhelming.
No.22104
>>21817>>22012Yeah stickman was great. We need more Vocaloid post-punk/new wave.
No.22239
>>21817>>22012>>22104Appreciating the stick love
>>22085I def agree with anon. Take advantage of the free trials if you don’t already own the voicebanks you like. What I tend to do if I am making a song but don’t know what vocal to use is make a snippet of melody and lyrics and put it to each vocal I think would suit the song well, then pick from there. Sometimes certain vbs will mesh with the background music better than others. It does add a bit more time to the process of course, but no harm in taking the time you need to make something great.
No.22246
>>22239I have not been able to experiment because currently lacking a proper computer just have some old not well working with Windows and MacOS otherwise just have my Android phone and an iPad I currently cant use until I fix an accidental password lockout. Also if I get a computer I am getting weirded out by recent corporate and government moves so might wind up on Linux or BSD or the very least avoid Windows which there is potential compatibility issues in any case. Maybe that needs it's own topic if it doesnt already since it has less to do with production.
No.22248
>>22246I've been wanting to switch to Linux but as a producer who has used FL Studio for almost 12 years now it kinda sucks to know that support for it on Linux systems can range from meh to completely unusable so I'm stuck with Windows 10 (ain't touching the vibecoded kuso that is Windows 11)
No.22250
>>22248I’ve heard good things about Bottles for audio software, but yeah, audio is the thing keeping me with a Win10 dual boot. The Vocaloid engine itself and some VSTs are keeping me there personally. Otherwise I’m a Bitwig user which is linux native.
No.22251
>>22250nta but i believe there's a couple open source projects that bring vocaloid to linux, i think one of them was tunelab
No.22252
>>22251>tunelabSmall correction, Tunelab is apparently Windows only. Forgot which one it was.
No.22262
>>22248Version 7 of FL Studio has platinum rating by WINE apparently while more recent is bad.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=178>>22250Oddly first I heard of Bottles, I just know of WINE, Proton, and more recently WinBoat. Last one requires a Windows install but I think it should work with Tiny11 in theory.
I heard Ardour is good for music production and it is FOSS. Found about it from this unfa guy which has a channel for Linux music production.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAYKj_peyESIMDp5LtHlH2A But yeah there is the issue of the vocal synth softwares themselves.
No.22264
>>22262I use the latest version
No.22265
>>22262Bottles is just a wrapper for WINE/Proton stuff (it makes a VN for you with customization options). I found it easier to use than some other methods
No.22266
Wouldn't you technically be able to run Vocaloid and FL Studio if you ran Windows 10 on a virtual machine on a Linux distro?
No.22270
>>22266Yeah though you need a lot of RAM for that I think. Can be reduced if you use one of the Tiny modifications of Windows though but I don't know how safe they are. Then also can not have to deal with second desktop environment from a VM if you use WinBoat from what I heard about it.
Someone who is used to Linux or BSD should try everything out for us to report back what methods work well for what.
No.22271
>>22270>I don't know how safe they areI mean if you're gonna use it just for FL Studio and Vocaloid which you'll most likely pirate in the first place i don't think that's much of a concern
No.22325
>>22250My laptop is out of order right now (probably an electrical issue sadly) and thus I can't use FL Studio right now, because for some unholy reason Bottles refuses to run it on Steam Deck and Flatpaks already don't work properly on it (I can't open links or files on them)
Wizard101 of all things runs with Bottles, though, and I thought that was a lost cause between standard Wine and Lutris.
No.22329
>>22325I have similar issue with a spare laptop that belonged to my sister. Wont charge or start even if battery removed and plugged in so might be a mosfet burnout or something.
Part of why I am considering getting an analogue synth and maybe drum machine and sequencer. Which also makes me wonder if you can do synth vocals that way with decent results or not. I would think anything sample based would not work all that well as we know from things like the Pocket Miku and the like. I think it should be possible to reproduce Rei same way her voice was made to begin with if the exact frequencies and waves and all that info is known. Although similar issue it would be very difficult to live convey actual lyrics just a sort of droned singing unless the tempo is very slow lol
No.22351
>>22262Which ones do work on Linux? I know Utau does
No.22399
>>22351SynthV is also supported through a native Linux version.
No.22414
For Linux DAWs there is Reaper which is free and on par with FL
No.22475
>>22351>>22399Also NEUTRINO but has to be compiled from source I think. Code hosted on SourceForge.
No.22478
Something I forgot to mention. If you want to use Linux but WINE/Bottles doesnt work and if you font want to touch Windows at all with a dual boot, virtual machine or WinBoat could in cases there is a macOS version try to see if Darling runs any better or worse. Darling is basically same idea as WINE but for Mac programs instead of Windows programs.
No.22553
What musical scale do Japanese producers use most often? I am finding contradictory English info when it comes to modern music some saying Han-Kumoi, some saying Hira-Joshi and others say they use same Major and Minor scale as most Western music and then other sources go into other scales. My ears are not musically trained enough at the moment to pick it out.
No.23164
>>23155First few seconds reminded me of bad apple
No.23352
Would it be better to post in here or make a separate thread for collecting interviews or photo identification of what different equipment, DAWs, plugins, samples and instruments different producers use?
>>23168She has a good voice
No.23354
>>23352Here should be fine
No.23358
>>23352Its okay to post that here, this is a production thread
No.23855
ESL here struggling with lyrics. How do you guys do it?.
No.23861
>>23855I make my lyrics vague on purpose
No.23890
>>23354>>23358Ah noted. I just didn't want to flood it if I started finding a lot and was trying to decide if I need to make a full effort post cataloging at least like five before I post anything lol I will get back to it, I had lost my efforts when something came up and lost my browser tabs
>>23855I made mistake of doing this as a digital file instead of a small notebook but I like to write down words that sound good together along with phrases and quotes I like but not put them to any song writing right away. Just have it for future reference to help things flow out. I would say you should try out different poetry writing methods just to see what feels good to you to get an idea of structure and how to break down the structure into something unique if you want to deviate.
No.23891
>>23890What's wrong with using a digital file? I use a txt
No.23894
>>23891I had data loss of some updates and it can be more difficult to be creative on the computer sometimes for me
No.23897
>>23894And this is why Microsoft sucks
Your fortune: Average Luck No.23906
>>23891>>23894Put it in a cloud. Mega is free and gives you 20gb.
No.23907
>>23906I hate cloud storage because it feels too privacy invasive even when encrypted like Nextcloud. What I meant was my computer crashed and the file got corrupted where it didnt save some updates I had made so I just wound up with an older version.
No.23908
>>23907nta but Mega is private
No.23928
>>22475Does that make Neutrino free?
No.23932
>>23928https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEUTRINO>無料>nil fee>freeIt is free on all OSs regardless of if you compile it yourself or not.
No.23934
>>23932Always had the idea Neutrino was paid. Downloading it for the zunzun.
No.24124
Tuning is painful
No.24125
>>24124writing is painful, tuning is painful, mixing is painful, making music is painful, being a vocaloid producer is painful.
you'll get used to it.
No.24147
>>24124Tuning is painful but I crave the pain
No.24152
>>24149The search function sucks. Found one more
https://kizai-zukan.com/mikitop/ No.24153
>>24152Man, MikitoP has a lot of guitars.
It's kinda cool how different the "rock guy" pages and "started as a DTM hobbyist" pages are.
No.24170
>>24149Not a single one uses FL Studio or even Ableton
No.24210
Found more on some software info a webcourse site. Feel free to see if any of you find more though I find this least useful since it is a matter of personal preference and whatever one knows how to use best.
Tokyo Manaka uses Logic Pro
https://coloso.jp/products/musicproducer-tokyomanaka-jpKikuo uses Presonus Studio One 5 Professional
https://coloso.jp/products/musicproducer-kikuo-jp>>24170Haniwa used Cubase then switched to Ableton Live in late 2018 finding it more enjoyable and easy to use and more like playing an instrument.
Other gear includes
MIDI keyboard: KOMPLETE KONTROL
MIDI pad control/groovebox: Novation LaunchPad Pro MK3
Foot controller: Roland FC300 (started using it because of doing VR shows)
Audio interface: RME Babyface Pro FS
Plugins:
FabFilter (for EQ, compress, delay)
Oeksound Soothe2 (same purposes?)
SERUM (synthesizer)
NEXUS (samples from presets)
IK Media AmpliTube (guitar effect used on VOICEROID vocals to soften them)
Valhalla VintageVerb (for VOICEPEAK vocals)
Scaler2 (music theory chord progression aid)
https://note.com/lf_flat/n/n03877f108353 No.24211
>>24210The Novation Launchpad Pro MK3 is not a groovebox, rather it is a sequencer. I was thinking of a different product they have. My bad. Actually I am still not sure I know what is a groovebox.
No.24212
>>24170first time i heard of cubase tbh
No.24214
>>24149No namigroove page?
No.24220
>>24212Cubase is popular in the JP scene specifically because Vocaloid has a special plug in for it. I think Vocaloid comes with a stripped down version of Cubase too. IMO the UI sucks though.
No.24262
>>24210Apparently Kikuo lists some of his gear on his site in English too
https://kikuo.jp/ No.24278
>>24214Seems not. All I found so far is REAPER for the DAW which shows up if you look at profile.
https://piapro.jp/namigrooveWatched one of his live performances and I think he has a Cannonball Big Bell Stone Series A5 Professional Alto Saxophone. I was able to spot the logo. Anything else you are looking for other than DAW and sax?
No.24280
>>24278>ReaperI knew namigroove was based
No.25106
Do any of you guys kinda feel left out seeing all these western producers always interacting and collaborating with eachother or is it just me? It kinda gives me that same feeling I'd get in elementary school when there was a group of cool kids who did cool shit and you looked up to them but at the same time it felt like you were too "uncool" to hang out with them, ya know?
I don't want to be popular btw, it's just a shower thought.
No.25111
>>25106I personally don't care but it'd definitely be nice to have collaborators so i don't have to do everything myself
No.25113
Okay here goes again
Higma uses Ableton Live
Plugins:
Spectrasonics Keyscape (for electric piano)
WAVES AUDIO Electric 88 Piano (before switching to previous mentioned)
Samples:
Splice
https://plugplus.rittor-music.co.jp/learning/interview/niconico2024_higma/Might not be a full setup because these were answers to specific questions.
No.25191
Art block sucks man
No.25204
>>25191Happens to the best of us
No.26304
Do you guys usually write the lyrics first or the melody
No.26307
>>26304I prefer melody first. But I also find lyrics really hard, so…
No.26327
>>26304I have only done lyric writing before and have no idea how to connect lyrics to a melody. Part ow why I have not made anything still....that and no working computer.
No.26333
>>26327I struggle with this too
No.26349
>>26327I'm a newbie too but I've actually started to figure out how to make this work! What I do is I sing the lyrics into my phone mic while tapping to achieve a metronome effect. Then I go into my DAW and try and line up the DAW metronome with my tapping audio. Then I just listen back to the audio to make sure that the notes line up with the points where I sing. The tapping is actually pretty helpful for that since you can visualize it as 'did I say this word before or after this tap?'. I think it'd be fine to combine this method with improv-ing the melody a bit too, so you can get the structure down even when you don't have every lyric figured out while still knowing that you have the lyrics that you care the most about implemented as intended.
No.26350
>>26349If you use SynthV you can actually convert your singing to notes though it's not 100% accurate and you have to do some manual editing
No.26351
>>26350I have actually tried this a couple times too! I did struggle with making it feel on tempo though so I guess it's still kind of a thorough progress in it's own way. I think my preference is manually writing notes since it provides a lot more control.
No.26628
>>26627I noticed this a while back. J-Pop loves using the disco beat, release cut piano, funk/math rock guitars, etc. I try to use it in my songs but I'm not great at composing melodies, let alone writing lyrics, eugh.
No.26685
>>26627Are there any non-Japanse songs (Vocaloid or not) that use this "Jersey beat" the video describes?
No.26686
>>26685Asking because i've never actually heard it outside Japanese songs
No.26687
>>26685>>26686Yeah, the entire Jersey Club genre lol
No.26699
>>26627Isn’t the drum beat this video describes just … the kick drum playing quarter notes? I don’t think the snare on beats 2 and 4 is particularly unusual either.
No.26700
I nearly forgot to post this useful site. A lot of genres are missing and some over generalizations like saying Asian Pop came from Eurobeat but did not elaborate on the later changes but there is plenty of electronic genres mapped on here with examples for different years. At least he remembered to include Freeform (aka Trancecore) which is what a lot of J-core falls under.
https://music.ishkur.com>>26685>>26687I think found a slower one in an Alternative R&B song? You can speed it up to 1.25 to hear it easier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qUkzh4nITo No.26701
>>26699Well yeah it is not unique just I never noticed because it is often mixed in with many other elements and now it stands out to me more.
No.26706
>>26628>release cut piano, funk/math rock guitarsThese two especially, almost every big non-western Vocaloid song has that
No.26707
>>24210>Valhalla VintageVerbMy man
No.26708
>>26707Valhalla Delay is better because it works as both a Delay plugin and a Reverb plugin
No.26709
>>26706I checked Vocaloard and the first 4 songs use a variant of the so called "disco beat". From the top 15 the only one I heard with release cut piano is I’m talking to you! / Anta ni Ittenno.
No.26710
>>26351Again, you have to do some manual editing after converting. I find it that its pretty good for any songs that are slightly off tempo or contain any kind of rapping like GIGA's.
No.26725
>>26349>>26350I forgot to reply to this. I will have to give these a try if and when I get the chance. Lot going on and just have my phone currently.
No.26819
>>26818You could try getting in contact with an UTAU cover artist, they're usually great at tuning
No.26828
>>26818DM producers under 10k followers, talk to them casually, even try to hone in on people to become mutuals with first if you're comfortable with that whole rigamarole. Focus on people you notice will follow more casually rather than super closed off people who have only followed back 5 people total.
If you don't want to do the chummy stuff you could always just straightforwardly try something along the lines of 'hi heres examples of my music i love yours and id love to collab with you if you were interested since our work is adjacent'. Most laymen who make music see themself on an even playing field with everyone else, it's usually just a case of how sociable someone is in terms of whether they'll be interested in responding. That even applies to some people who have multi-million streams hit music, but obviously aim for people below that threshold. Not that those people are inherently full of themselves, they're probably just more seated in the connections they've already attained.
This is a bit out of the scope of what you were specifically asking, but outside of that sort of driven style of networking, also just make some friends who are generally into making/playing music even outside of Vocaloid. You're bound to eventually meet someone who does music if you're around enough artsy spaces. Just knowing a guy or two is enough for them to redirect you to plugins, sound repositories, general advice, etc.
No.26829
>>26828Thanks. I'm not really social myself so I don't really go around DMing people or even interacting with them that much. Like I said I only use Twitter to promote my music because unfortunately it's very effective for that. But I'm also the kind of guy who'd be open to collaborating with anybody. Maybe I'll give it a shot.
>just make some friends who are generally into making/playing music even outside of VocaloidI only know one person, but they have a love/hate relationship with Vocaloid leaning more towards hate. I honestly don't know where the real musicians hang out.
No.26836
>>26829I'm similar, so I'm definitely tentative to just say 'yeah man just be good at talking to people and fundamentally sociable and outgoing' since I already kind of assume the average person on here isn't particularly predisposed to all that. I hope that the less socializing-heavy options I gave can still be useful, at least.
And yeah, from what I can tell musicians are super dispersed and therefore kind of hard to immediately find in regular groups. Most of my advice stems from knowledge gleaned from making connections in illustrative art spaces instead. I only really have 2 music friends myself, one of them doesn't seem to interact with fellow music people much at all, but the other does seem to have a circle of sorts in the community he's a part of.
When it comes to the 'being part of a circle' thing, being invited to a musician hangout spaces is definitely mostly Dicksword oriented these days though so I didn't really initially bring that up either assuming people here would also be adverse to that even though its probably the most effective way to find new people en masse haha. Making connections is a fundamentally networking oriented process, and networking is something that will feel more or less laborious depending on the kind of personality you have, but don't think that you're incapable of it on those merits. There's definitely ways to find a balance between being mindful of your own comfort and reaching out just enough that you can still get the opportunities you want.
No.26844
>>26818If your music is better than the avg newbie who picks up the FL Studio demo and starts making songs with the default drumkit then chances are a VocaP of the same level will eventually run into your music and there you have a potential collaborator. Another way to get your name out there is joining collab albums.
No.27842
As a producer what's your biggest dream/goal? Yes I'm talking to (You) anon, tell me
No.27845
>>27842I wanna learn guitar for Vocaloid purposes and lean into rock. I’d like to do some justice to a song that’s personal to me. I would also like to do some dope music videos with the goal of reaching maybe 20k-30k viewcount.
No.27886
>>27842This is shooting really high but I would love to collab with some big name Eng Vocaloid producers sometime. That's right. Catch anon as the official 4th Flavor Foley member
No.27888
>>27842To be recognized by the bigger producers i guess
No.29174
>>27841 month later, just touched an electric guitar for the first time which is pretty cool. Check back in 3 years for some acceptable accompaniments.
No.29176
>>29174Can you play Smoke on the Water yet?
No.29181
>>29174As in you got to play one without actually knowing how?
No.29429
Started writing a song with YOHIOLOID and gave up because I thought it was boring. Just another day.
https://voca.ro/1npGPJZqah1v No.29448
>>29429its not boring i like it
No.30237
>>30235Also the lyrics are a placeholder and the instrumental isn't finished, ironically I tend to finish my tuning before much else.
No.30241
>>30235What are the lyrics
No.30302
>>30238Thanks!
>>30241They're pretty bad, but as I said it's more of a placeholder. If I figure out a way to make it sound better or get better ideas for replacement lyrics I'll just input those but the lyrics featured are as follows:
"Smile, revile
Blurred colors mix with bile
Replay, remake
You're fake"
It's mostly me doing semi-random rhymes since this is a backing track/adlib type thing and the main track will have similar, but more complete lyrics. Putting down random ones as placeholders (usually partially or fully on theme) help me come up with more "complete" lyrics later. I should probably stop using my USTx/VSQx/SVP files as notepads but it's fun to me.
I guess my idea for what I do is the internal thoughts of the thinker while the main track are words actually spoken or expressed somehow.
No.30321
>>30302Hope you don't mind me trying to roll with the vibe making a variation to see if it helps you any...or confuses you more
You smiiiile
I reviiile
Shades of red miix with biiile
You're so viiiiiiiiiiile
Reemaaake for my saaaake
Color sounded too awkward to me it needed a short word IMHO. I didn't know what you were going for with the "replay, remake" part so I left part out that i found confusing.
No.30340
>>30321Fair! I re-rendered it with what you wrote, I do truly appreciate this as I can either write great lyrics or the worst thing you've ever heard with no in-between. I might change the end of it a bit but I greatly prefer this to what I rendered at midnight.
If anything, I think you actually gave me a decent idea for more lyrics and a general theming rather than trying 2 or 3 different things and throwing them at the wall. Thank you!
No.30356
>>30340Glad it helped. Though I noticed a side effect that now the L in smile is more difficult to hear likely because of being followed by same vowel making it sound like "smyyy" almost. Maybe a tiny pause after "smile" before "I" or holding the word "I" a tiny bit longer or writing it as "eye" might help that? I wouldn't know the tricks around these issues though since havent produced before just going off logic. I just added "I" to add more syllables and sound more narrative. Might be my crappy speakers though.
No.30390
>>30389I really like the glitchy distorted sound of this
I have never heard anything like this in Vocaloid before
No.30392
>>30390thanks i was inspired by a certain album with no cover
No.30393
>>30389do you have a specific theme in mind
No.30396
>>30393No not really. I made this song as a demo for a potential collab with YOSU of Watashi no Koko but kinda abandoned it when he declined and im only now working on it again.
No.30399
>>30389solid production anon
No.30400
>>30356Yeah, you're right. I'm admittedly not familiar with TORIKO's phonemes in particular just yet, but I think I fixed it by moving her 'l' phoneme back a bit. Diffsinger seems similar to C+V so I figured that was the easiest way to do it.
>>30356This is really nice anon, I wish we had more songs with this type of sound, I can see myself looping it for forever. Do you have a vocal in mind? I can see it working with a more powerful vocal like Miki, Len, Kiyoteru, VFlower, Lily, Ruby etc etc. It could probably also work with a less powerful but not-exactly soft one like Luka or Gumi.
No.30401
>>30400I was gonna use either Miku or Luka but I'm thinking IA could also work
No.30402
>>30389This sounds like Yeezus
No.30403
>>30402Yeah that was one of my influences, you got me anon
No.30411
>>30389Really hope you end up finishing this because I've been listening to your short demo on loop
No.30412
>>30401Thinking it could make a good riko song too
No.30430
>>30411Sadly i cant promise that i will because I'm really bad with lyrics and vocal melodies. That's why I'm asking for help.
No.30439
>>30389This is kind of electro-industrial and darksynth sounding so I feel like this is just an intro without vocals for a track of around 7 minutes. It feels like there isnt room for lyrics in this section from how strong the bassline comes in unless you went for a sort of whispery and breathy shouty vocals but then the synths come in where that doesnt work as well anymore. Ive been listening to this on a loop for an hour and lyrics arent coming to me so I say just go a bit further in progression to see if there is a space for vocals to breathe. It may wind up needing powerful sounding vocals if it keeps that energy you were building up but at this point it feels like it isnt sure if it wants to be melancholic dark calm or about to rise into something more trance like. Get what I mean? If you don't want a particularly long track the slow tempo makes that more difficult though nog impossible.
No.30449
>>30439More like it feels made for rap vocals
No.30468
>>30449Yeah I got it could be but felt it could go a bit different way
No.31267
Producer bros is there an easier way to make Japanese vocaloids like Iroha and Lapis sing in English nowadays?
No.31282
>>31267Yeah, use the M_0 phoneme alongside a consonant on a 1/64th or 1/32nd note.
Basically, if you have two consonants together, such as in "scope," you'd do [s M_0][k o][p M_0]. Some Japanese Vocaloids can actually sound out an "s" without a vowel, but most seemingly can't do it, or at least can't pronounce it as clear as an Engloid. N's, n's, and m's are also perfectly fine on their own without M_0.
No.31283
>>31282I'm stupid, do you have video demonstration?
No.31284
>>31267I mean there’s of course Iroha SV lol that makes it super easy, but for the old Vocaloid banks specifically people have made dictionaries and there’s also a few job plugins to help convert the phonetics. Unfortunately this is V4 stuff. If anything it’s harder to do it now than before when it comes to these older banks.
No.31306
>>26818>out of my reachIt doesn't hurt to just ask, you know
No.31311
>>31283No, but here's one of my projects for a cover I did where I used that method. I used Lily for this part, and a lot of JP -> EN pronunciation depends on both the Vocaloid and the person doing the phoneme placement.
The other Vocaloid I used sounded pretty bad in retrospect, JP loids are way more of my specialty than certain Engloids I think.
No.31497
>>29429Yohioloid needs more love
No.31510
>>31501Isn't this seen as cheating? Like using RVC?
No.31520
>>31510I'm not sure, I think I've only seen people get mad at people who don't disclose it. It's definitely not a shortcut like RVC.
No.31524
>>31501So what is it doing exactly? Melding different voice banks together to fill in missing phonemes?
No.31541
>>31526Last time i tried Vocalmorph my pc couldn't run it. I'll try again.
No.31545
>>31501Voice is probably not the best example here for morphing AI banks because it’s not using 2 sets of vbs to morph, it’s morphed with human vocals.
No.31547
>>31545I heard it was SynthV, not sure if anything definitive came out though
No.31581
>>31526That seems super tedious.
No.31618
Have you guys been making stuff lately
No.31623
>>31618Not I, aside from me assisting in part of lyrics in a few songs on the board if that counts for anything.
No.31625
>>31618Creative block's been kicking my ass
No.31627
>>31618Mostly just making loops at the moment. Haven't made a full song.
No.31634
>>31627Same. Making short VGM-y stuff is a lot more approachable 90% of the time especially for a noob like me. At least I feel like I'm learning something new with each new attempt so it doesn't feel unproductive even if it's hard to lock down and make a full lyrical song
No.31644
>>31634Happens to the best of us
No.31652
>>31618I’ve been away from computer, but I got a new idea while away from computer, so maybe it’s worth it
No.31672
>>31618Been very busy here.
No.32836
>>32834Never knew how much i needed Calalini with guitars until i heard this
No.32837
>>32834As nice as it is to use the schizoloid for the schizophrenia awareness song i'd prefer to hear this with Kaai Yuki because I really love the production here
No.32838
>>32837Might do that if i finish it. I just suck at making Japanese vocaloids sing in English.
No.32839
>>32834This version made me realize how terrible Planty-P is at mixing
No.32844
>>32839i wonder what happened to that guy
No.32845
>>32844I've thought of contacting him to see if it'd be possible to get him to do an unofficial, not sponsored by 39ch staff, interview on this site since he's got his email listed on a couple sites. But i get the feeling he wants absolutely nothing to do with this fandom even years later. But who knows, i haven't tried.
No.32846
>>32845do it anon, what's the worst thing that could happen?
No.32848
>>32845Honestly Planty's antics are nothing compared to what went down a couple months ago with Maghni AI so my guess is people would be more sympathetic towards him if he did a live Q&A, especially on this site where "anything goes"
No.32861
>>32834I'm begging you please finish this
No.32888
>>29429>writing a song with YOHIOLOID and gave upsame. stuck in my 2016 era
https://vocaroo.com/1il3eC2Mt2Oj>>32845lol. planty was like 14/15 at the time he got cancelled. he's so moved on and I heard he has kids. an interview would be funny, but dunno what you'd even ask.
No.32890
>>32888Pretty sure someone already debunked that he's an old man in his 40s with kids. He's about the same age as Crusher i think.
No.32940
>>32888He's like 28-29, i wouldn't say it's impossible but barely anyone is having kids til their early to mid 30's nowadays
No.33070
>>32888I wish more songs like this came out in the modern Vocaloid era, I miss this style so much.
Speaking of which I should probably finish my many WIPs, I might scrap this one because while it started as a remake, I want to rewrite every last lyric and change my old vocal melody in places. I just loved the instrumental I made too much to scrap it entirely
I have some ideas for what to do with it, but nothing quite concrete yet.
No.33071
>>33070>I might scrap this oneI changed my mind after re-listening. I just don't know what to do for it really. I'm one of those people who really loves OC PVs, so that's an option. I also like OCCASIONAL personal songs, but I don't know what to do for it in that regard if I go that route and I feel like I've written way too many of those already.
No.33072
>>33071i hear that fl slayer
No.33073
>>33070sounds really good
No.33075
>>33072I remember one of my favorite flash game musicians used it in her work, so I started using it and while it's definitely very difficult to mix, I love how it sounds.
>>33073Thank you! As far as a vocalist goes, I'm torn between quite a number of them. Owning 29 of them and having my own UTAU on top means I've got a wide array of options. Very few of them, like Zunko or Macne Nana, wouldn't fit at all.
No.34048
>>24170>Not a single one uses FL Studio or even Ableton4 months later I remembered this comment after Anything Become Moe in QNA video said they use FL Studio so now you know one at least.
No.34049
>>34048Can always count on my guy ABM
No.34067
>>24220I love cubase also sedo sounder uses it and <3 sedo sounderrrr
No.34319
>>34318Replying here just to say that this is insanely good and i can't wait to hear the finished version
I don't know where this "church" producer is nowadays, but he'd be proud of you anon
Also this should be released as Hitori [RE]'s official demo
No.34321
>>34319funny how an utau based on feelings of loneliness, with a song about wanting to be alone, is less alone than ever now because she has a niche fanbase on an imageboard for chinese singing robots
No.34325
>>34321Maybe that's why she smiles now
No.34326
>>34325Hitori Kanane became Hitori Janaine
No.34361
>>34360I think someone wanted her to have an official demo. Maybe this remake could be it.
No.34371
>>34360Alright, small update
The song's finished, I just need someone to fix the USTX.
Switching from CVVC to VCV fixed the low volume notes for some reason, but yeah I'm still missing those silenced parts where I can't understand what she's saying.
No.34378
>>34360If someone here has a Nico account, send Church the finished song
I'm not sure if he has been active lately but his last video is from 2025 so he's definitely still alive and using the same account at least
No.34424
>>34405Kanade
Couldn’t afford to contribute to Rei’s cf at the time
No.34428
>>34360I need this remix finished anon
No.34430
>>34428It already is kind of finished
Its only missing guitars and someone needs to fix the USTX
No.34432
>>34430the low volume seems to be tied to the normalize flag, it's all the way at 0 on those notes
for the line with the missing lyrics it honestly sounds like 広いひとりが、なそうに中で instead of whats on the screen, I'm not good with japanese but this is the best i could make sense of it
No.34473
>>34432She definitely says 真ん中で, it's the first part that's confusing and hard to hear
No.34474
>>34473It's actually "hiroi hitori be natta mannaka de", which according to AI doesn't make sense/isn't gramatically correct. If you listen to the next line after that she says "natta" again and it sounds exactly like what she says in the previous line.
No.34481
>>34475Honestly i feel like this might've been a mistake from the original creator, i'd suggest changing "be natta" to "be ya a" to match the lyrics.
No.34483
>>34481Yeah i ended up doing that
No.34497
>>34475I want to know how he made her sound like this
I wonder if it's just bad quality or some special resampler
No.34499
>>34497probably the moresampler breath flag
No.34883
I'm curious to know how many of you actually make stuff, whether its covers or originals. I noticed there seems to be this common sentiment that Vocaloid fans prefer consuming than creating but to which extent is it true?.
No.34885
>>34883Not sure if it's allowed but I think this would be best gauged with some kind of an offsite poll link so that not everyone has to individually reply to your message
No.34886
>>34883I love to do some random talkloid stuff but never tried doing song covers or originals. Still, I think it's only natural for there to be way more people who are passively enjoying the scene rather than creating stuff. If we also include fanarts and memes, number of people who contributing goes up too.
No.34911
>>34883I do covers. I can make originals, but i suffer from creative block way too much to become a real producer.
No.34913
>>34883Covers since 2016 (though my earliest one still on my channel is from late 2017) and originals since 2019, but I get creative block a lot and am normally awful at making instrumentals. Over time I think I've gotten pretty decent at tuning. I hope.
In fact I uploaded a Galaco cover a couple days ago.
No.34918
>>34883I tried making covers but I quickly realized I don't have enough free time for this. Maybe if I ever manage to switch jobs...
No.34919
>>34918I feel exactly like this except with originals and PVs but also I still want to make originals and PVs so it’s cool and great
No.34994
I have the problem of wanting to do everything so i wind up doing nothing since I just lack focus to make anything from jumping to different media and ideas. At least I am helping a few around 39chan with lyrics so it gives me some practice at least but I really cant organize ideas. I seem to have most trouble with song composition. Like I do not know how to arrange different orders without feelin overly formulaic.
No.35005
>>34994For me I'm starting to realize that I'm getting the hang of composition and producing slowly but surely, but creating enough lyrics for more than 1 verse is extremely hard for me, no matter how much I try
I have a notes app file with 4k words of lyric ideas written in it and I'm still flailing like a fish. It's a shame because I'm someone who gets very moved by the lyrics of songs and would love to be able to write something that expresses my thoughts and feelings in a clever/powerful/provocative way.
Your fortune: Bad Luck No.35158
>>35157You should still make it regardless lel
>and the MV character is insanely hotThe mv character in question is actually just the Yamai version of his UTAU voicebank. Which is nice, honestly. I prefer it when producers use the actual voicebank's design instead of an OC. Though i guess in this case it also is an OC since they're designed and voiced by Avogado.
No.35162
>>35158Oh yeah I know, I was using 'MV character' as a shorthand for 'the character that was in the MV'. I looked into the UTAU a bit after listening and I really like all of the designs for each VB. I hope they get a little bit of traction in the community from the song.
No.35164
>>35005I forgot i was doing this but I at one point started a journal where whenever i think of cool sounding short lines or obscure rhymes or word play i write them down to remember later if they find a place in anything. I out of neuroticism put this in a password protected file so hopefully if my computer lets me in i can remember the password. Might be switching to small notepad book instead. I dont quite get song structure well though both for melody and lyrics.
No.35170
>>35165I sometimes dont quite identify what is the verse, chorus or bridge. Actually I am not sure what a bridge is sulloses to be since I am less familiar with it. I know chorus is also called the hook and some.styles very easy to spot but others it almost seems not there. Some sections sound like a chorus but didfer so i dont know if that counts as the chorus or verse or bridge
No.35171
>>35170Hmmm, I think looking at song lyrics on Genius can be a little helpful for that since sometimes it'll outright label if a section is a verse or a chorus. Honestly I think verse/prechorus/chorus can be kind of hard to distinguish but for your own purposes its okay to see the verse as the 'sorta catchy part of the song that has more diversity when its repeated', and the chorus is the 'most catchy section with the least variation and most repetition'. I write prechorus if something sounds like it's not quite the chorus but doesn't sound like a verse either but to be honest I was kind of just vibing it for the sake of being able to label blocks. I wouldn't worry about bridges at all at your stage, they only come up every once in a while anyway. If it's still too hard to differentiate in some songs I'd just stick to studying songs where you can more distinctly tell the difference
No.35177
>>35157You've got something going on here tbh. I like it.
No.35180
My method of writing lyrics tends to be listening to other songs and my brain almost adlibbing lyrics that are completely different to its melody, which has served me well on numerous occasions. Unfortunately, for the past 6 months I've made some progress but ultimately been unable to formulate a concrete idea. It frustrates me deeply because in the past I used to be able to do it in less than 24 hours and still made something that sounded coherent. So, I've been sitting on a nearly-complete except the vocal track song for 6 months straight trying to pick my brain. I have at least 3 or 4 different documents with lyrics on it that I MIGHT make for that song, but scrapped a lot of my original ideas because they came off as either way too whiny in my head or were clunky sounding. I'd ideally like to make it for one of my characters I have an extremely clear idea of, and have numerous old projects about him I can reference, but repurposing old lyrics of a song I took down with an instrumental of another song I took down feels really lazy and uninspired to me, even if the work is solely my own and I did put a lot of effort into both at different points. Perhaps I can rewrite certain parts of it and sort of mishmash something as a proof of concept, then refine it later.
Ultimately, there's a lot of excellent advice in the thread right now and I'm super happy that people are giving it.
No.35185
>>35171I guess I could try that.
No.35199
>>35189Oh nvm looks like it is back up again lol
No.35211
>>35189honestly looks a bit too gimmicky for my taste. props for uniqueness but i think i'll stick with FL.
No.35236
>>35211I think it is meant to be one of those more unique music making programs since interface seemingly works different such as Metasynth and MidiNous.
No.35376
>>35368Just an opinion but something feels off. I feel the cords need tuned a little brighter to harmonize with Miku's tuning better or otherwise something needs to make them more dickswordant, less neatly formed. I could be wrong and just not getting exactly what you are going for.
No.35384
>>35376I really appreciate the feedback. I wasn't able to wring much criticism out of my friends for this one so I was partially flailing around directionlessly for it. I'm not really sure how to tune the chords brighter though or what that means (excuse my lack of musical literacy). Do you mean tweaking the chord notes themselves to be up or down an octave or just slightly adjusted or something about the instrument settings? If it helps to know what I was going for, I wanted to inspire from sasakure.UK, Jamie P When Spring Comes, A Fire That Bridges The World Devi Mccallion. Something partially stripped back sounding, desperate but lonely?
>>35369Yeah, V6 soft.
No.35391
>>35389Ahhh I see. I honestly just started in C major then pitched everything down a note, but I agree that the track doesn't sound very bright despite that being the scale I used, so maybe there's something wrong in general going on there. I'll have a play around with scales and see if it helps the song come together better, thanks.
No.35396
>>35391That was in C major is surprising I was thinking it was either C minor or D major but I have crappy earbuds in. I think i just lack enough musical knowledge to explain why it feels slightly off but not in the good way kind of off. Not bad just feels unpolished in tone choice i guess i can say. Is Miku set to the same scale and mode?
No.35397
>>35396Actually, I've been looking at the notes and it seems like it was actually in C# Dorian because of the note shift down. Kinda funny since anon suggested that even though it was already in that scale after all. I checked the MIDI and Miku is definitely in the same scale/mode. Honestly every time I try to switch it up it seems to sound kinda worse (Lydian sounded okay though but I'm kinda on the fence about it) so I'll probably try changing the key if that does any good
No.35412
>>35397This is just getting more confusing lol
No.35620
Just a reminder but music theory is completely optional
No.35627
>>35620It is but can help if your speakers suck where hearing things is difficult.