No.18662[Last 50 Posts]
This is a thread for producers to talk about music production, DAWs, plug-ins, etc. Keep it vocalsynth related.
Producer collab thread:
>>10165PV Making Thread:
>>8291Original content thread:
>>10912 No.18814
Old Producer Thread
>>73Project File Finder
>>1093Synthesizer V
>>1720UTAU
>>482 and
>>227DiffSinger
>>51What Vocal-Synths Do You Own?
>>813Piracy
>>18125 and
>>127 (old one went off the rails)
Banned Voice-Banks
>>37You don't need to use these threads, I'm just linking them because they might contain information and resources that you're looking for.
No.18815
>>18814doing god's work anon
No.18829
>>18814Nah, the old thread was still on topic. The SynthV cracking team was shady. But anyway I don't wanna derail this one.
No.18845
Do you all use your mouse or MIDI keyboard for making chords & melodies? It seems this is the one thing stopping me. Any advice for people who’ve never finished a song?
No.18849
>>18845Mouse is fine unless you need to play something live. That said I’ve never finished a song either since I can’t into instrumentation, so grain of salt
No.18851
I recently installed OpenUtau and made this nonsense with Toriko from an old MuseScore thing I created years ago. I don't know what I'm doing.
Lyrics:
It's three AM
And I need to take a poo
So get out of the bathroom
'Cause I need to take a poo
>>18829Sorry I meant "off the rails" in the Ozzy Osbourne Crazy Train sense, as in "this thread got a bit crazy". No.18864
https://voca.ro/15qtHOsDjgsvI'll probably never finish this song so here's the solo
No.18869
>>18864Are you a fan of Cyriak by chance? Sounds a lot like his music
No.18885
>>18662I always get so anxious to post my originals anywhere. I've been collabing a lot with one producer in particular and it's been going really well so far. I've been told my talent shines as far as tuning goes whereas my instrumentals are awful, so this lets me play to my strengths. All my originals except for one I unlisted have used wholoids simply because I love them
No.18896
>>18873I haven't heard of him, but I see what you mean. I like it. Appreciate the rec
No.18913
wip, i wasn't sure how to continue the second part or what to write for lyrics. i like the miku 'ah's in the background too much to abandon it though
https://voca.ro/1hYGTKEXdIAE No.18915
>>18913This sounds like something i'd hear in the background of a Japanese PS1 RPG game
No.18932
>>18913it sounds like something from an RPGMaker game and i really dig that
No.19064
>>18873Who's the Cyriak of Vocaloid?
No.19087
I am not really ready to make music, rather am just been messing around to get a feel for music through various means. Thought Id share something that can be used to get ideas without using AI junkware. A random music generator.
https://tones.wolfram.comIt is kind of fun to try to make chaos sound more musical but still chaotic. For example I made this from the random pattern it generated. You just have to pick the right instruments and roles and tuning and tempo to not make your ears bleed.
https://tones.wolfram.com/generate/G1GcD3MMDZhxhi7qg2CVa8ETago2w27ZfucrXUlYOKRd55S No.19089
>>19087Reminds me a little of Dunc's Algomusic
No.19520
I feel unable to write songs that aren't in 4/4 lately
No.19528
>>19520Do you listen to much in anything else?
No.20138
Anyone doing vocagathering this year? I would but i'm a procrastinator
No.20244
How important is knowing music theory and how do you go about learning it including the cord progressions a lot of Japanese musicians like to use?
No.20247
>>20244It's not important at all. You've probably heard this before but Kikuo's music teacher once told him not to learn music theory because it'd make his music boring.
I'm a producer myself and all the lyrics and melodies really just come from my mind, I never studied music.
No.20255
>>20247Interesting. I previously heard different elsewhere that learning music theory is good even if you don't follow all the rules since you don't have to do as much trial and error to find the rules again and know what rule you are breaking that works.
Lyrics in terms of how they flow are something I'd have little issue with...well in English anyway, since I have written poetry since I was a kid. Basically same thing more or less. It's just everything else I never figure how to put together too well nor have I had much luck learning on playing instruments either but that was all entirely self experimenting with no guidance whatsoever so not too much a surprise.
No.20256
>>20255Lyrics are my weak point just for the fact that I'm ESL. It makes me wonder how people like ippo.tsk do it. He's Indonesian but his lyrics are better than most of what American producers write.
No.20357
>>20256Pretty sure Indonesians use English too, I've seen a lot of them type sentences with words in their language and then it ends with a bunch of English ones
No.20630
>>20357Do they use it as their second language or something
No.21166
>>18845I use a mouse but you're probably better off using a Midi keyboard if you own one
No.21282
>>21166Yamaha psr260 good enough? I got that goofy cheesy sounding thing
No.21289
Unless you make really complex stuff i don't think you need a midi keyboard
No.21669
I have a question for producers
Do you hate your most popular song? And if so, why?
No.21670
>>21669Yeah. I think my most popular song (A Letter From) has some of my worst lyrics and doesn't represent my current style.
There was a time when I was proud of it but I realized it sounded too much like what everyone else was making, so starting with Fish I began putting more effort into my music and into trying to do my own thing. But unfortunately the letter song remains my most popular.
I also hate that people keep comparing it to that one beat_shobon song. Nothing against the guy, I love him in fact (no homo), but my song's got no similarities with his other than the use of Teto and "biggest fan" being in the lyrics. It gets tiring having to clarify that my song isn't meant to be a sequel, a prequel or a diss track to his song, its none of those things.
No.21673
>>21670You two should collab if you ever get the chance
No.21815
>>21669I don’t, but don’t see it as fully reflective of my current abilities.
I grew my skills a lot over the years and the one song I probably hate the most is the one I did with Tsudumi. It’s not the worst song I’ve ever made but that song I have always felt never accurately reflected what I was trying to say and it felt rocky all around.
As for what would be my most popular, there is two answers right now but neither I hate. Like I said I’ve just grown my skills. I would love to reapproach those themes in the future but I see them as stepping stones and think what I’m making now is stronger than before.
No.21817
>>21815I know you from the stickman song which i really liked
No.21894
>>21673Oh trust me it'd be a dream come true. But i'm a low profile guy and i don't usually interact with the community so the chances of me collaborating with anyone outside of my existing friend circle is very unlikely. I'm open to anything though.
No.21897
>>21894>i'm a low profile guy and i don't usually interact with the communityNot that anon but I respect that a lot
No.22004
If I ever get enough peace to try producing what do I do if I want to use live instruments but suck at playing? I may want to record my own samples or something but how do I do that without having to invest a ton of money into the best recording equipment? Also how do I even decide what vocal synth program to use?
No.22012
>>21817That song is genuinely so underrated tho. How did it not blow up?
No.22014
>>22004Honestly, you don’t need to have the best equipment or anything. First thing’s first is literally just to find an instrument you like and learn to play it. Don’t rush into recording the instrument right away if you don’t know how to play it otherwise you’re just going to get frustrated.once you feel confident, then start recording. Don’t worry about having amazing equipment in the beginning either if you’re on a tight budget. There’s lots of good budget options including used equipment. If you’re fortunate enough to have a local store, demo the equipment as well. Find what you like best.
As for picking a Vocaloid and software, either pick a character you like or narrow down your needs. There’s of course the free options like Utau and Diffsinger, we got our leekaloids, but if you want to use something commercial like vocaloid, free trials are your best friend. Don’t rush to pick either. There’s like a million options out there these days. Of course you could always just default to Miku or Teto as well but if you wanna use someone else, you got time.
No.22019
>>22012Because there's no OC in the MV
No.22085
>>22014Maybe not best but I figured mid range quality might be better to start than something very low quality for recording unless I want the characteristics of cheap microphones intentionally. Well yeah I know I couldn't use instruments without learning them which takes time and is why I brought up using them for making my own samples as one way to make use of my small eclectic collection of instruments. I also am into a large variety of music so I can see myself potentially being all over the place and getting nowhere as a result. Like the time I tried to learn 5 languages at once.
I of course know what characters and voicebanks I like, the issue is picking the right one for a song and knowing what software is easiest to work with without a huge learning curve and just trying a bunch out it can be difficult to have enough time with each to really get a proper feel but then there is the whole issue of some characters for some but not others or each program has it's own sound to it. Feels kind of overwhelming.
No.22104
>>21817>>22012Yeah stickman was great. We need more Vocaloid post-punk/new wave.
No.22239
>>21817>>22012>>22104Appreciating the stick love
>>22085I def agree with anon. Take advantage of the free trials if you don’t already own the voicebanks you like. What I tend to do if I am making a song but don’t know what vocal to use is make a snippet of melody and lyrics and put it to each vocal I think would suit the song well, then pick from there. Sometimes certain vbs will mesh with the background music better than others. It does add a bit more time to the process of course, but no harm in taking the time you need to make something great.
No.22246
>>22239I have not been able to experiment because currently lacking a proper computer just have some old not well working with Windows and MacOS otherwise just have my Android phone and an iPad I currently cant use until I fix an accidental password lockout. Also if I get a computer I am getting weirded out by recent corporate and government moves so might wind up on Linux or BSD or the very least avoid Windows which there is potential compatibility issues in any case. Maybe that needs it's own topic if it doesnt already since it has less to do with production.
No.22248
>>22246I've been wanting to switch to Linux but as a producer who has used FL Studio for almost 12 years now it kinda sucks to know that support for it on Linux systems can range from meh to completely unusable so I'm stuck with Windows 10 (ain't touching the vibecoded kuso that is Windows 11)
No.22250
>>22248I’ve heard good things about Bottles for audio software, but yeah, audio is the thing keeping me with a Win10 dual boot. The Vocaloid engine itself and some VSTs are keeping me there personally. Otherwise I’m a Bitwig user which is linux native.
No.22251
>>22250nta but i believe there's a couple open source projects that bring vocaloid to linux, i think one of them was tunelab
No.22252
>>22251>tunelabSmall correction, Tunelab is apparently Windows only. Forgot which one it was.
No.22262
>>22248Version 7 of FL Studio has platinum rating by WINE apparently while more recent is bad.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=178>>22250Oddly first I heard of Bottles, I just know of WINE, Proton, and more recently WinBoat. Last one requires a Windows install but I think it should work with Tiny11 in theory.
I heard Ardour is good for music production and it is FOSS. Found about it from this unfa guy which has a channel for Linux music production.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAYKj_peyESIMDp5LtHlH2A But yeah there is the issue of the vocal synth softwares themselves.
No.22264
>>22262I use the latest version
No.22265
>>22262Bottles is just a wrapper for WINE/Proton stuff (it makes a VN for you with customization options). I found it easier to use than some other methods
No.22266
Wouldn't you technically be able to run Vocaloid and FL Studio if you ran Windows 10 on a virtual machine on a Linux distro?
No.22270
>>22266Yeah though you need a lot of RAM for that I think. Can be reduced if you use one of the Tiny modifications of Windows though but I don't know how safe they are. Then also can not have to deal with second desktop environment from a VM if you use WinBoat from what I heard about it.
Someone who is used to Linux or BSD should try everything out for us to report back what methods work well for what.
No.22271
>>22270>I don't know how safe they areI mean if you're gonna use it just for FL Studio and Vocaloid which you'll most likely pirate in the first place i don't think that's much of a concern
No.22325
>>22250My laptop is out of order right now (probably an electrical issue sadly) and thus I can't use FL Studio right now, because for some unholy reason Bottles refuses to run it on Steam Deck and Flatpaks already don't work properly on it (I can't open links or files on them)
Wizard101 of all things runs with Bottles, though, and I thought that was a lost cause between standard Wine and Lutris.
No.22329
>>22325I have similar issue with a spare laptop that belonged to my sister. Wont charge or start even if battery removed and plugged in so might be a mosfet burnout or something.
Part of why I am considering getting an analogue synth and maybe drum machine and sequencer. Which also makes me wonder if you can do synth vocals that way with decent results or not. I would think anything sample based would not work all that well as we know from things like the Pocket Miku and the like. I think it should be possible to reproduce Rei same way her voice was made to begin with if the exact frequencies and waves and all that info is known. Although similar issue it would be very difficult to live convey actual lyrics just a sort of droned singing unless the tempo is very slow lol
No.22351
>>22262Which ones do work on Linux? I know Utau does
No.22399
>>22351SynthV is also supported through a native Linux version.
No.22414
For Linux DAWs there is Reaper which is free and on par with FL
No.22475
>>22351>>22399Also NEUTRINO but has to be compiled from source I think. Code hosted on SourceForge.
No.22478
Something I forgot to mention. If you want to use Linux but WINE/Bottles doesnt work and if you font want to touch Windows at all with a dual boot, virtual machine or WinBoat could in cases there is a macOS version try to see if Darling runs any better or worse. Darling is basically same idea as WINE but for Mac programs instead of Windows programs.
No.22553
What musical scale do Japanese producers use most often? I am finding contradictory English info when it comes to modern music some saying Han-Kumoi, some saying Hira-Joshi and others say they use same Major and Minor scale as most Western music and then other sources go into other scales. My ears are not musically trained enough at the moment to pick it out.
No.23164
>>23155First few seconds reminded me of bad apple
No.23352
Would it be better to post in here or make a separate thread for collecting interviews or photo identification of what different equipment, DAWs, plugins, samples and instruments different producers use?
>>23168She has a good voice
No.23354
>>23352Here should be fine
No.23358
>>23352Its okay to post that here, this is a production thread
No.23855
ESL here struggling with lyrics. How do you guys do it?.
No.23861
>>23855I make my lyrics vague on purpose
No.23890
>>23354>>23358Ah noted. I just didn't want to flood it if I started finding a lot and was trying to decide if I need to make a full effort post cataloging at least like five before I post anything lol I will get back to it, I had lost my efforts when something came up and lost my browser tabs
>>23855I made mistake of doing this as a digital file instead of a small notebook but I like to write down words that sound good together along with phrases and quotes I like but not put them to any song writing right away. Just have it for future reference to help things flow out. I would say you should try out different poetry writing methods just to see what feels good to you to get an idea of structure and how to break down the structure into something unique if you want to deviate.
No.23891
>>23890What's wrong with using a digital file? I use a txt
No.23894
>>23891I had data loss of some updates and it can be more difficult to be creative on the computer sometimes for me
No.23897
>>23894And this is why Microsoft sucks
Your fortune: Average Luck No.23906
>>23891>>23894Put it in a cloud. Mega is free and gives you 20gb.
No.23907
>>23906I hate cloud storage because it feels too privacy invasive even when encrypted like Nextcloud. What I meant was my computer crashed and the file got corrupted where it didnt save some updates I had made so I just wound up with an older version.
No.23908
>>23907nta but Mega is private
No.23928
>>22475Does that make Neutrino free?
No.23932
>>23928https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/NEUTRINO>無料>nil fee>freeIt is free on all OSs regardless of if you compile it yourself or not.
No.23934
>>23932Always had the idea Neutrino was paid. Downloading it for the zunzun.
No.24124
Tuning is painful
No.24125
>>24124writing is painful, tuning is painful, mixing is painful, making music is painful, being a vocaloid producer is painful.
you'll get used to it.
No.24147
>>24124Tuning is painful but I crave the pain
No.24152
>>24149The search function sucks. Found one more
https://kizai-zukan.com/mikitop/ No.24153
>>24152Man, MikitoP has a lot of guitars.
It's kinda cool how different the "rock guy" pages and "started as a DTM hobbyist" pages are.
No.24170
>>24149Not a single one uses FL Studio or even Ableton
No.24210
Found more on some software info a webcourse site. Feel free to see if any of you find more though I find this least useful since it is a matter of personal preference and whatever one knows how to use best.
Tokyo Manaka uses Logic Pro
https://coloso.jp/products/musicproducer-tokyomanaka-jpKikuo uses Presonus Studio One 5 Professional
https://coloso.jp/products/musicproducer-kikuo-jp>>24170Haniwa used Cubase then switched to Ableton Live in late 2018 finding it more enjoyable and easy to use and more like playing an instrument.
Other gear includes
MIDI keyboard: KOMPLETE KONTROL
MIDI pad control/groovebox: Novation LaunchPad Pro MK3
Foot controller: Roland FC300 (started using it because of doing VR shows)
Audio interface: RME Babyface Pro FS
Plugins:
FabFilter (for EQ, compress, delay)
Oeksound Soothe2 (same purposes?)
SERUM (synthesizer)
NEXUS (samples from presets)
IK Media AmpliTube (guitar effect used on VOICEROID vocals to soften them)
Valhalla VintageVerb (for VOICEPEAK vocals)
Scaler2 (music theory chord progression aid)
https://note.com/lf_flat/n/n03877f108353 No.24211
>>24210The Novation Launchpad Pro MK3 is not a groovebox, rather it is a sequencer. I was thinking of a different product they have. My bad. Actually I am still not sure I know what is a groovebox.
No.24212
>>24170first time i heard of cubase tbh
No.24214
>>24149No namigroove page?
No.24220
>>24212Cubase is popular in the JP scene specifically because Vocaloid has a special plug in for it. I think Vocaloid comes with a stripped down version of Cubase too. IMO the UI sucks though.
No.24262
>>24210Apparently Kikuo lists some of his gear on his site in English too
https://kikuo.jp/ No.24278
>>24214Seems not. All I found so far is REAPER for the DAW which shows up if you look at profile.
https://piapro.jp/namigrooveWatched one of his live performances and I think he has a Cannonball Big Bell Stone Series A5 Professional Alto Saxophone. I was able to spot the logo. Anything else you are looking for other than DAW and sax?
No.24280
>>24278>ReaperI knew namigroove was based
No.25106
Do any of you guys kinda feel left out seeing all these western producers always interacting and collaborating with eachother or is it just me? It kinda gives me that same feeling I'd get in elementary school when there was a group of cool kids who did cool shit and you looked up to them but at the same time it felt like you were too "uncool" to hang out with them, ya know?
I don't want to be popular btw, it's just a shower thought.
No.25111
>>25106I personally don't care but it'd definitely be nice to have collaborators so i don't have to do everything myself
No.25113
Okay here goes again
Higma uses Ableton Live
Plugins:
Spectrasonics Keyscape (for electric piano)
WAVES AUDIO Electric 88 Piano (before switching to previous mentioned)
Samples:
Splice
https://plugplus.rittor-music.co.jp/learning/interview/niconico2024_higma/Might not be a full setup because these were answers to specific questions.
No.25191
Art block sucks man
No.25204
>>25191Happens to the best of us