No.10610
i've got that optimistic side that thinks it will but idk, the current team got fucked over massively and it sucks. i hope that if maghni does crash and burn they are at least able to release their voicebanks on a different engine.
No.10613
>>10610>if maghni does crash and burnI believe Vocatone still owns the rights to both VBs and characters so even if the project fell apart they could still do something with them
No.10614
>>10609i hope so, but it's starting to seem unlikely. at the very least, i hope their progress becomes open source or something like that.
No.10615
We're gonna get Maghni AI before a new Lily voicebank lol
No.10616
>>10613There's also a bunch of non-Vocatone voicebanks, no idea what's happening with those. I think the engine devs have SAWTOWNE's voicebanks at least?
No.10617
>>10616Sawtowne has a voicebank?
No.10618
I admittedly care more about the Zero-G 'loids than the PFX ones but I've already accepted that they will never be upgraded. They had a chance with Sonika in 2018 but Yamaha did a Yamaha and ZG said fuck it no more vocaloids.
No.10620
>>10619Never realized Saw was behind those
No.10666
i want sonika ai
No.10667
>>10614I believe one of the devs said if they stop working on it, then they plan to make their portion of the work open source, so there's that at least.
No.11341
The Half Life 3 of vocalsynths
No.11519
I still have faith
No.11561
My question is: if Maghni AI fails does that mean it's officially over for English vocaloids? SynthV ones like Natalie and Solaria are not a concert since they're recent and still supported but in the case of pretty much every Zero-G loid and (in the chance Maghni is cancelled) PFXloids, are they forever stuck on those obsolete engines?
No.11565
>>11561Ruby would probably still be released as a DiffSinger bank
No.11576
>>11565They would only be able to do this if Vocatone itself dies
No.11580
>>11561I'm still upset over the fact that Miriam Stockley wanted to upgrade her voicebank but Zero-G didn't want to
No.11598
>>11580V1 era Vocaloids are basically dead (except kaito and meiko because Crypton owns them)
No.11600
>>10619Does he voice the bear
No.11615
>>11614this is the gayest thing i've seen in my entire life
No.11616
>>11614I don't know how to explain this but he sounds like if someone made Ant Clemons into a Vocaloid
No.11816
>>11561>>11562short answer: yes
No.11831
I just hope i get to hear Big Al again in my lifetime
No.11852
>>11561afaik yes
They're the only company left from the Vocaloid era
No.11856
I wouldn’t say it’s the end, though I definitely don’t see a new English company going into V6 unless it’s a passion project
No.11857
>>11856Eclipsed Sounds is carrying Engloids right now but most people ITT were referring to companies from the V1-4 era.
No.12102
Maghni AI will come out before SynthU
No.12891
>>11856SV is probably more profitable for them anyway
No.13721
>>11614He's got a nice voice but god damn this is extremely gay
No.13722
>>11856i hope the guys who run the toriko thing eventually release a commercial leekaloid but as far as i know they're non profit and will likely keep it that way
No.13761
>>13722impossible for a leekaloid to go commercial. especially on a japanese engine.
No.13763
>>13762First of all: we're a niche imageboard for vocaloid fans. Yes, we are active but we're not nearly as big or relevant as 2chan or even 4chan are. It's highly unlikely that Japanese companies would even be willing to reach out to loser gaijins like us for a voicebank, and with Vox Soft being indie I don't think they'd be able to afford all the shit you need to have your own voicebank on an engine.
As for the only English engine out there: I doubt the Maghni AI devs would be willing to associate with a site with similar culture to 4chan. We have a tendency to not give a shit about things the western Vocaloid community considers sacred: that's why KAFU SV got leaked here, that's why we have a piracy discussion thread, that's why people here aren't ashamed of saying they like Shota Shota Island. And I know not everyone here has the same views on those things, 39chan isn't a collective mindset. But cmon do you really think any western producer or company would be willing to work with a website that's seen as "4chan but vocaloid"?.
No.13765
>>13763>We have a tendency to not give a shit about things the western Vocaloid community considers sacredIs it really any different on 2chan? Don't they have a board for piracy?
No.13766
>>13765he's not talking about the Japanese websites.
he's referring to how people here don't care about what the wvf thinks because everyone here is anon and can say whatever the hell they want.
No.13767
also i don't think the community is dumb enough to think that 39chan is a group of people with the same thoughts and values. besides it has been recognized by a couple notable individuals in it.
No.13768
>>13761>>13763Personally I'm glad we don't have any leekas on commercial engines and that they aren't mainstream. The Teto-ification of TORIKO would have disastrous consequences on both this website and the overall Vocaloid community. I want the leeaks to still belong to us.
No.13770
>>13768The diff is good enough methinks
No.13904
>>13785I highly doubt we'll ever see leekas on commercial engines for the reasons this anon listed here
>>13763The Japanese community barely knows we exist, the single "studio" to come out of this board is indie and broke, and the Western community probably sees this site as nazi Germany given the ties to 4chan.
No.13905
>>13904Lol no. I can assure you that the majority of the western community that knows about 39chan doesn't care about it. The site's not big enough to have a reputation like that and the ties to 4chan you mention are very minor.
Your fortune: Bad Luck No.13913
>>13904Ah yes because 2ch definitely has a squeaky clean reputation
No.13914
>>13905This
Few western producers know about this site and the ones who do, don't really care about it at all
No.14005
>>13915I do predict that something will happen this year but it won't be the engine's release. I don't think we're gonna see that til the end of the 2020s with some sort of beta launching before the final version.
And yes I am pulling this out my ass, no one knows anything about Maghni's current status.
No.17703
>>17680I do hope that they succeed. I like the idea of a western vocal-synth, especially one that brings back beloved voicebanks from that era like Oliver. It'd be a big shame if it never came out.
No.17783
>>17703The other "western" Vocal synth is SynthV, which if I'm not mistaken is actually Chinese but has a couple teams developing ENGloids for it.
No.17789
>>17783Basically no one remembers but Kanru used to live in America. That's why Eleanor was the first SynthV
No.19565
>>19564anon, we can't even train diffsingers what makes you think we can make a vocal synth from scratch
No.19571
>>19564Thinking we can do this at all is delusional lol
No.24511
>>24510>It's an empty box with instructionsOh
No.24515
>>24509I told you guys we'd get an update on Maghni this year. But on a serious note, why are they shipping out the voicebank boxes but not the software itself?. Is it to generate hype?.
No.24523
>>24515It’s just so backers can at least receive some compensation for their contribution because we’re sadly likely not getting our money back (it’s all been spent).
They started shipping orders back after the debacle in October, that said only 7 orders have been shipped so far rn.
No.24524
>>24523On strippers and alcohol like Ant Simulator?
No.24526
>>24524lol supposedly it all went to where they said it went to but I’m not entirely sure it’s the full story. Especially since their programmer supposedly left. I won’t lie, everything I’ve heard rumour mill wise since last year has been a disaster. I reasonably can’t say everything because if something is true I wouldn’t want to get anyone in trouble. All I can say is I’ve almost completely lost faith in the project.
No.24542
>>24509Well what's inside it?
No.24558
>>24542According to someone on Twitter it's instructions on how to download it when Maghni releases
Pic not mine
No.24559
>>24558imagine if it doesnt release so now you're stuck with the box
No.24565
>>24558They totally ordered all the boxes before finishing the project and didn’t know what to do with them.
No.24567
>>24565damn. yknow im a bit concerned about whatever the hell happens if they dont finish the project.
No.24571
How would you guys fix Maghni?
No.24595
>>10613In the hypothetical situation that Maghni does fail wouldn't they be able to put the old voicebanks back on sale?
No.24599
>>24595can they even do that
No.24628
>>24558>buy voicebank>open box>its fucking paperwhat even is the point of buying physical voicebanks anymore if they're basically empty? and this isn't even a maghni issue, i've seen other engines do this
No.24629
>>24628You will own nothing and you will be happy
No.24637
>>24558This is one of the most wasteful and useless ways to sell a product Ive yet to see. If they were doing that why not just use small cards to sell with the activation code? Or does the box include a user manual?
>>24628Who else is doing it? Might be a response to how many laptops lack a disc drive now.
No.24638
>>24637Even more useless when you realize that the software this is meant to be for isn't even out yet and there's a chance that it won't come out in the first place
No.24639
>>24637>Might be a response to how many laptops lack a disc drive now.Such a stupid change. Who's the smartass who decided that disc drives were obsolete?.
No.24640
>>24639I do not like ot either. I could explain more but this is getting into enshitification thread territory.
No.24641
>>24559Tbh I fully expect this to happen.
>>24595No, PowerFX would have the power to do that, and as we know PFX is out of the business.
>>24637Crypton, 1st Place, anyone on VoiSona with a physical, Voicemith, and a handful of others on V6. So it’s 100% related to the lack of disc drives. That said some of the companies at least include merchandise to make up for the lack of disc like VoiSona. Then of course you have the SV2 physicals that have a disc but are pointless to begin with because you have to download the bank from the cloud in editor anyways.
No.24642
>>24641They should do what they did with the PS3 port of Portal 2 where it included a disc for your PS3 and a code so you could have it on Steam as well.
No.24644
>>24642This is basically the case for some physicals with discs these days. If you reach out to support as well, usually they’re happy to send the respective installer as well. So it’s possible to get away with not using the disc at all before factoring in fan managed archives. Basically these days it’s more about having a physical backup more than anything.
No.24649
>>24628Some people buy the boxes just to have them and don't do anything with it
No.24653
>>24649I hate that so much
No.24835
Just saw on VocaDB that Ruby's site is gone. Is it actually over?
No.24836
>>24835I had to go look myself and see what you mean. The domain is indeed expired. Vrilliant was assumed who’d be handling Ann and Al too.
I’m not entirely certain what happened here. I do have a few ideas ranging from simply not renewing the domain to a company shut down but after the announcement I’d be surprised that they didn’t leave a statement.
There is one particular thing I am aware of that could very well be a factor, however I’m not sure if I should divulge…
At the rate things are deteriorating I am actually praying this project gets cancelled… It feels like every bit of new information that surfaces, public or not, just screams worse than hell.
No.24837
Really hate saying I just keep loosing faith atp… As much as I’d like my stuff, I’d like my money back too but I’m not expecting a refund anytime soon…
No.24838
>>24835>>24836If only you knew how bad things really are
No.24843
>>24837Don't worry you'll get an empty box
No.24844
>>24836I think this happens during acquisitions sometimes so that may also be possible but usually announcements are made for those.
No.24848
>>24844There was a bunch of corporate restructuring once the original team left. Best case scenario would be Vrilliant merging with Oliver's team, I guess? It's not looking good tho
No.24850
>>24848Worst case is vaporware scam
No.24851
How long has the site been down for?
No.24853
>>24851Not sure, haven't seen anyone else report it. I'd be willing to bet that it happened while the thread was dead.
No.24854
Maybe Maghni AI was the friends we made along the way
No.24862
>>24853What thread? This one?
No.24874
>>24838Believe me when I say I have a better idea that it seems…😓There’s just a lot I don’t say because I don’t want to get people in trouble.
>>24848This bit is a good example as to what I was alluding to because it didn’t just affect Ruby but actually affects Oliver as well, so merging isn’t necessarily the solution here.
>>24873The dev team/company (not sure if registered as one), in charge of the Maghni version of Ruby aka Rvby.
No.24875
I am very much at odds with myself because on one hand I do feel it’s important that people know as it’s becoming more and more relevant as time progresses but also I don’t want to get friends who are dear to me in trouble.
It is really tearing me apart, so if there is anyone on the Maghni team reading this (and I hope one of them are reading this), please come forward and share all the problems behind the scenes that are halting further developments, updates, and keeping everyone silent. I really can’t take this anymore and it’s driving me crazy and tearing me apart. It went from too much transparency to none at all. It’s been almost 6 years, it’s time for the veil to break. I am on my knees…🙏😓
No.24876
>>24875I don't think a Maghni employee would go on 39chan of all places. Though at the same time if they did they could possibly get away with spilling the beans since a lot of "important" people use 4chan in similar ways, to reveal confidential stuff and leak source codes, etc. It's be a matter of choosing to believe the anon or not.
No.24877
>>24875Why do you think any of them are here?
No.24878
>>24876>>24877NTA but just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean that it can't
No.24879
>>24876It would be pretty hard to remain anon when Maghni is like, five people
No.24880
>>24835I feel bad for Rubybros
No.24910
>>24877Idk if any of them would be here or not, all I can say is a good handful of these people have been fans as long as me but partook in older fandom spaces like VO.
It’s also like, I know very well that some vsynth devs (globally, not specifically western) actually do lurk a lot more fandom spaces than we often realize. So it’s more an off-chance and sort of vent type thing. I’m just tired…
No.24912
>>24910I feel like 39chan's a bit niche for it to be noticed by the big names but the creator of Neru himself is a frequent poster here so idk, I could be wrong.
No.24913
>>24879I wouldn’t say 5. It is still a small team. Idk how many are currently part of the team and who’s left for sure and who’s stayed on, but the number of people actively working keeps changing. So there is a chance that if a team member were to come forward it could be someone who isn’t publicly known and only the team could narrow it down.
It’s pretty easy to tell a majority of the issues boils down to poor management just from a surface level perspective. I can’t say which people have left, but there have been public faces that have left according to my own reliable sources. I don’t remember if it was mentioned in this thread before by myself or someone else but I recall back in October when people started getting vocal about things, that some people who were previously commissioned by the team stated the programmer (who I believe is still listed on the site) left the company.
No.24914
>>24912It's not as obscure and niche as some people here make it seem. A small part of the western fandom is already aware of the Leekaloids even if they don't post here (similar to how we know the Vipperloids but don't post on 2ch). Hioka has also done two Q&As here which has made the site more "visible" in a way.
Besides 39chan doesn't have the same rep as other imageboards like 4chan where it's generally seen as this evil hideout for nazis and fappers so it's probably more accessible to people who normally don't use these types of sites.
No.24915
>>24914I learned about 39 after I heard about Canon mentioning recording naked in that one q&a and after I lurked as an anon for a good while I got the vibe that we were all old coots in terms of vocafans who just wanted a comfy place to properly converse about our favourite subject. That alone is much more attractive than some other spaces these days.
No.24995
>>24914I don't doubt that some important people lurk this site but they're unlikely to post. I do think it would be funny if they pull a Trevor Moore and show up under a thread talking about them lol.
No.25042
>>24995>Trevor MooreWhat did Trevor do
No.27394
>>27393Many such cases, unfortunately
No.27395
>>27394Many such cases, not many such discs.
No.27396
>>27395Not many disc drives either.
I still think that's one of the dumbest design trends in recent times. Getting rid of something useful that's been there since the dawn of time.
No.27522
>>24849Add Oliver, Ann and Al
No.30252
Let it burn.
I don't like being this way, but if this company isn't gonna take it seriously, I might as well become that angry backer who wants their money back.
https://vocalsynthretailers.wordpress.com/2026/07/13/an-open-letter-to-both-current-and-former-maghni-ai-teams/ No.30254
>>30252I understand that this letter is for the parties involved but maybe it would have been better if you made it a Twitter thread
No.30257
>>30254Nah, I don’t pay for twitter and putting everything here in a thread would be exhausting.
To add a bit of extra reasoning, while I could have also written a google doc, given the situation and how google docs have a bit of a reputation, I decided to ultimately publish it on my blog instead. It’s unconventional, but rather this than chicken jockey google dockey.
No.30272
>>30269>>30270tl;dr: vocatone has the entire team by the balls
No.30274
>>30269I'm so confused. Who owns Vocatone? Why were they ever involved?
No.30275
>>30271Unfortunately this really is the most substantial update we've gotten in a year
No.30280
>>30274It's just the same Vocaloid era dev team. They went independent and co-created the engine because they wanted full creative control over their work. Now it's turned into them having too much responsibility over stuff they can't handle
No.30283
So update: since I published my letter, I’ve since been reached out to by a couple with more information.
I will likely be working on some way to disclose it all, however it gets so much worse and how it got this way is ridiculous.
To put it simply though, the drama from within the companies is ridiculous. It makes me question why this has gotten to the point it has.
No.30284
>>30280According to the information I received, supposedly not anymore.
No.30285
>>30283>>30284Maybe keep it on twitter, we dont need gossip posts
No.30288
>>30285It is beyond gossip at this point.
It is no longer potential fraud. We’re looking at a claim of full embezzlement.
People have already paid money.
No.30290
>>30288into the iceberg it goes
No.30291
>>30283>>30288It all returns to nothing
It all comes tumbling down
Tumbling down, tumbling down
No.30294
>>30288it's cuz you called it drama
No.30299
>>30283I'm not surprised but i still feel bad for all the anons early in the thread who were still optimistic about the project, and especially those who actually spent money on it
No.30304
>>30288I'm not writing it off or anything but I don't think vagueposting is going to help
No.30309
>>30294I said there was internal drama, I never called the whole situation drama.
No.30310
>>30304It’s mostly that I’m not sure how to express it all without getting those who reached out to me in any particular trouble.
Personally I wish they would come forward themselves and spill everything instead of me bearing it all.
I do apologize for my vagueness.
I will offer a bit more information. In regard to what I have said regarding embezzlement, there is a chance that the respective parties are not being entirely honest about why their programmer left. The claim I have received implies that the original programmer did not simply leave by choice or as a result of completed contract, but because he was being deported. Of course I am not sure how honest they are, but frankly when it comes to Maghni it feels like there’s lies everywhere, but they implicate the money went to trying to keep him in the country rather than towards finishing the project.
No.30312
so the tl;dr is that absolutely everyone involved with project including those who contributed to the kickstarter got fucked in the ass by vocatone?
No.30313
>>30310>the programmer was being deportedWhat the fuck?
I... guess that might technically be a relevant expense? I don't know how it would compare to replacing him.
No.30316
>>30285Our stance on that type of content remains clear and unchanged. I see this thread as actual news rather than pointless drama about a specific individual in the community, so I’m keeping it up for now. That said, if it devolves into personal drama, I’ll lock it.
tl;dr: if you turn this thread into twitter drama you'll get b&
No.30318
>>30316Respectable and based.
No.30322
>>30320I'm glad we all agree that this is fucked up
No.30331
Something tells me there's gonna be a long youtube video about this in the future
No.30334
I feel bad for Vocatart, he was basically a kid when getting involved with all of this, and it's nice he's sharing their code, though I'm not sure what anyone can do with it lol
No.30458
At this point Maghni AI feels like the Postal 3 of Vocalsynths. Overambitious, switched teams like 2 or 3 times and will most likely release in a bad state.
No.30471
Natalia made a statement. I’ll link directly to the doc. It clears up a lot of what my informant told me yesterday, especially with the deportation matter and supposed embezzlement. Most importantly, she has stated the amount of money she personally invested into the project. Over $200k before the deportation matter and more after the crowdfund payment.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rkT8tnRTWai7q8PLmzAmWOAZr97uUuC9LiMlX_LVzGs/mobilebasic No.30472
>>30471Not reading a Xitterdoc
What does this mean for Maghni AI as a whole?
No.30474
>>30471This is extremely cursed.
>>30472It seems like the one guy programming it was a college student who ghosted everyone so it’s probably fucked.
No.30475
>>30471Safe to say the project is fucked
No.30476
At this point wouldn’t it be better to, like, take the rights for the Engloid characters/their voice samples and train them for an existing engine? Sure it would remove any possibility of profit off a novel voice engine, but that’s the part that’s really fucked, and I’m not convinced there’s much value there, even compared to free/open source engines.
No.30483
>>30476this. and release ruby DS while we're at it.
No.30484
>>30472Like others stated, the project is essentially fucked. I can’t say what exactly will happen with the current team but there’s a lot that Austin and VocaTone has to speak for.
Right now it seems both the current team and Backers will need to put pressure on him to respond and hopefully get people their money back, even if he has nothing.
No.30486
It's so oliover
No.30487
I don't really like the new Oliver voicebank. It sounds too American when Oli is canonically a Brit. So i don't mind that we're not getting it but it does suck for the other PFXloids.
No.30489
It’s deeply unfortunate since I think if they had done a dual DS/Vocaloid release or even SynthV or something they would’ve been better off, both financially and honestly in terms of usability.
No.30490
>>30484yall need to sue imo
No.30492
>>30490He’s got the December deadline before it moves forward, but this will be supplemental.
No.30495
>>30487I wish there was much developed in terms of technology for British English vocals in general too considering you basically need to change a bunch of phonemes for certain sound pronunciations for it to sound like the proper accent (Based on my own attempts with making an English UTAU while having a British accent anyways). I would love a new British sounding VB in the big '26 in general.
No.30499
>>30487Maghni isn't cancelled (yet). Best case scenario is that we'll get a few of the voicebanks extremely late.
No.30502
https://x.com/ccodaze/status/2077096202206674962you can ask questions and they're gonna reply in the blogpost on maghni website
No.30504
>>30503Yeah he did a q&a back in 2023
No.30506
Another statement from one of the people who did videos for them.
Sorry, it is a Xitter link. I think we're probably gonna see a lot more statements.
The bulk is more information linking the IndieGoGo campaign to the old programmer being deported and apparently, RVC was used for one of Oliver's demo videos.
https://x.com/SUZlE_P/status/2077173375458250969 No.30507
>>30506>RVC was used for one of Oliver's demo videosdang he's not even real
No.30508
>>30506How does it manage to get even worse
No.30509
>>30507This really is just Stella 2.0 huh?
No.30511
can't wait for the suwawako video about this kek
No.30513
>>30506Unfortunately I do not have a Twitter so I can't check the thread, but...
>>30507They really did the Shiki Rowen thing???? So it was a scam this whole time, that's actually heartbreaking especially when some people really wanted it to be real and poured their life savings into it.
No.30514
>>30513Yes, but no, but yes
I feel we’re gonna have a lot of this back and forth.
No.30515
The music in this thread scared the shit out of me
Good one mods
No.30516
>>30515I love it, and the fire effects
No.30517
mods = gods holy shit lol
No.30518
why do i hear the end of evangelion theme when i enter this thread lol
No.30519
>>30518oh its mods fucking around
No.30520
>>30518Because the thread's on fire, just like Maghni itself
No.30522
Based mods
No.30524
can someone give a quick rundown of whatever the hell's going on?
>inb4 read the thread
No.30525
>>30524The tl;dr is that Vocatone is an awful company
No.30526
>>10610And crash and burn it did...
>>30524Maghni AI went from passion project to being a total scam basically, and
>>30525 No.30528
>>30509This is more unethical than Stella ever was
No.30532
>>30529honestly she doesn't even feel out of place
No.30533
My expectations were already extremely low and yet I'm still disappointed
No.30540
>>30539mods please use this
No.30541
>>30539You guys work fast
No.30544
>>30506>RVC was used for one of Oliver's demo videos[somber laugh]
No.30548
>>30547I'll be shocked if they release anything at all. And by that i mean anything that isn't some google doc from a former employee accusing them of treating them like shit.
No.30553
>>30539If this is original you should publish it on youtube
No.30556
>>30539i like how i can tell exactly where you gave up and filled the rest of the lyrics with "lolololo"
No.30564
LMAO MODS WHAT IS THE FIRE AND OLI'S SINGING OMG
No.30565
>>30564Very representative of the current state of things
No.30567
>>30529Ironic that her silhouette actually fits with the rest
No.30568
>>11561It already failed, which implies the ENGloids are officially fucking dead
No.30569
>>30564The mods on 4chan do this kind of stuff all the time. Last year during The Game Awards they made the Valve logo sound play to troll people.
But i'm both surprised and pleased to see the mods here doing this kind of stuff too
No.30572
Zero-G please save us
No.30574
>>30570fantastic edit on the truck number
No.30575
>>30574i didn't even notice it at first glance
No.30576
>>30572>Zero-GThey haven't cared about vocaloid in a loooong time. The original lineup of engloids is basically dead now.
No.30577
>>30568I guess you could call it the end of an era
No.30579
Half Life 3 of vsynths
No.30580
The EN scene might be on fire right now but this thread felt oddly nostalgic. I haven't seen a controversy this big since the 2010's.
No.30598
>>30580This place is haunted by the ghosts of VO
No.30602
>>30576I’m not sure if this is still true but they were considering coming on for Maghni AI years ago.
Now of course, well…
No.30603
>>30602Where did this come from?
No.30610
>>30603Conversation with Natalia years ago.
Like I said, things could have changed since then so they probably wouldn’t be moving forward even if this chaos didn’t happen.
No.30613
>>30611Maybe one day we'll get good Sonika news.
Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again No.30618
>>30611And now her country got eliminated from the world cup
No.30647
>>30645>wow this sounds so good>it's synth v with rvc🧍♂️
No.30648
>>30645>”shortcuts”>we decided to spoof samplesMan…
These guys really should’ve changed direction earlier.
No.30649
Lol I went to check their channel to see what video had Oliver and piano roll in it and they deleted all their maghni videos
https://www.youtube.com/@VocatoneOfficial/videos No.30651
>>30645it all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling dooown
No.30652
So in layman's terms Maghni AI was a group of people who wanted to make a vocal-synth engine without the knowledge or money required to make a vocal-synth engine so now it's officially cancelled and never coming out?
No.30653
>>30652Well, they got the money, although that’s gone now. Really they needed knowledge and business skill.
No.30654
>>30645so it's not happening huh
No.30656
>>30652All of this except it's somehow not cancelled
No.30657
>>30656Allow me to doubt that for a sec
No.30661
>>30659i'm pretty lost at this point
No.30665
>>30658Never lose hope sonikabros
No.30667
>>30661Not sure how much this helps, but the creators left a year ago and threw the project onto the other staff members. They've been in development hell since August trying to correct all of the issues. Right now it's mostly a back-and-forth between the two former leads about who fucked up more.
No.30669
Let's make our own vocal synth engine with blackjack and hookers
No.30674
>>30645This really does feel like if the Stella and Shiki Rowen situations were part of a big crowdfunder, it's so grim. Can't say I'm shocked it will never release, though.
No.30675
>>30674even if it releases the reputation is too tainted
No.30678
Truly the "Duke Nukem Forever" of vocal-synths
Except Duke Nukem Forever actually came out even if it took 15 whole years and came out in a very unfinished, broken state
No.30684
>>30669Sure but you're paying for it
No.30685
>>30624I did say so, but also I only knew a fraction of all this. It’s much worse than I knew.
>>30669It is literally just this.
My biggest upset is that now it’s actually becoming a matter of pointing fingers rather than actually finding a solution. Crescendia still has a Q&A on the way so there’s still more to come.
Austin stepping down does not absolve him of responsibilities, and he’s still the one who has all the packages as well so if he steps down he needs to remain in constant contact with Crossy to coordinate.
I hope Crossy can communicate a plan that allows for refunds because this is getting to a point where a solution isn’t actually being made, but avoided.
No.30690
>>30683If they deliver on their promises i will too but for now i'm skeptical
No.30735
>>30733No wonder they scammed people with him, holy fuck this is awful. I had an actual early Diff-SVC bank before it split into Diffsincer/RVC that sounded far better than this. And that was still rough!
No.30738
>>30733why is this so scary i was gonna sleep
No.30742
>>30733Are we sure this is oliver and not a zombie
No.30747
>>30733Demon possessed Oliver is hilarious sounding.
No.30750
The Sawtowne remix of Dinky Dink is no longer on Youtube so the only way you can listen to it now is on the 39chan radio lol
No.30753
>>30749Needs some death-doom metal instrumentals now
No.30755
>>30749Cannibal Corpse sounds like this
No.30760
>>30750Did they ever say why they took all the videos down if allegedly only one uses rvc
No.30769
>>30733why is he burping... oliver i thought you had good manners
No.30771
We revived Oliver’s remains as an American and he came back wrong
No.30773
>>30772https://files.catbox.moe/ao1qj9.mp4If somebody wants to upload it to the internet archive be my guest
No.30774
>>30773Also here's the title/desc just in case
Oliver AI - Dinky Dink (SAWTOWNE Remix)Feb 29, 2024
We are back with a cheerful, silly, and familiar demonstration of the current version of Oliver AI, (v.0.6) in our prototype (v.0.7.1) Maghni AI engine!
Song Title: Dinky Dink No Time To Think
Song: Sopop (originally sung by Sonika)
Remix: @SAWTOWNE
Art/PV: crossyloid & HolyArapaima
-- More About Maghni AI --
https://www.vocatone.studiohttps://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ma...
-- Follow Us! --
/ vocatone
/ www
https://staging.bsky.app/profile/voca...
/ vocatone
No.30782
Realistically what is stopping them from making a SynthV?
No.30786
>>30782I would have gladly accepted an Oliver SynthV. If my memory is correct it takes $50,000 in order to get the license to make one, so really, it is confusing why they crowdfunded a new engine and not a new voicebank of choice, then went back and made some other SynthV banks if they had the rights to do so and the funds. Eclipsed Sounds managed to pull it off.
No.30792
>>30786Because they wanted to make their own engine with blackjack and hookers.
No.30801
Another day, another lengthy blogpost
This has to be the biggest disaster I've seen in this community since Stella, and Stella was already pretty bad but not to this extent
No.30803
At this point just kill the project and release a Synth V. It's the least you can do, really, the bare minimum.
No.30815
>>30786They really should’ve made this move when they learned the programmer was set to be deported. Maybe there are licensing issues involved but frankly I think it’s the best outcome, maybe even better than having the Engloids on their own special synth
No.30816
https://x.com/VocaTone/status/2078203559330419096didn't see this posted, it's about refunds, the language is weird
i guess you need to fill the request as soon as possible before they send you an empty box lol
No.30817
>>30816>refundsSo it's officially over then? No more Maghni or Vocatone?
No.30818
>>30817i think it's about physical rewards specifically
>If you submit a refund request through our form, your reward package will be securely stored. Should you later change your mind and decide to cancel your refund request, you may still receive your shipment after 2027.idk it's weird
No.30819
>>30817If not then it should be. It just gets to a point man.
No.30820
mods did it again lol
No.30823
Ok cool joke mods but what's the song
No.30824
>>30823Over Now by Alice in Chains
No.30826
>>30824>Could you stand right there, look me straight in the eye and say that it's over now?Me too, mods, me too
No.30828
If Oliverbro still uses this site, I wonder how they feel about everything that's been going on
No.30830
>>30828I'm not him but I love Oliver and its been painful
No.30831
>>30829Mods have an interesting sense of humor
No.30837
https://x.com/NataliaShmueli/status/2078252838225092810Natalia responded to vocatone's statement abt refunds
TLDR:
>The form does not actually state that VocaTone will issue a refund.>Vocatone might be violating a bunch of laws with their last statement>Backers should submit a complaint directly to relevant authorities >"Those questions can now be evaluated by Indiegogo, the relevant consumer-protection agencies, attorneys, and, if necessary, a court." No.30838
>>30837Every time I ask myself if it can get any worse the answer is always yes. What an absolute fucking shitshow.
No.30845
>>30837Gonna take a moment to add on. I have been communicating with Natalia and in the event I need additional information for a case, I am able to access it.
I won’t delve into my own thoughts rn, still pretty furious, but yeah, I wouldn’t be surprised if VocaTone closes shop from this. Whatever they try to do at this point, they are legally fucked.
That’s the sum of the news from my end that I can offer atm. This is the best statement we have so far.
No.30848
>>30845At this point i don't even know who to trust and i'm gonna keep it that way until either party just says "Maghni AI is done" or "Maghni AI is still being worked on"
It would be for the best if development ceased and they issued refunds, honestly, because this situation just keeps getting worse and worse for everybody involved and it's also a legal nightmare
No.30851
>>30845Ideally any refunds would have been processed before people invested $200k of personal funds. I wouldn’t imagine there’s any money left to refund with.
No.30862
>>30848Ye, I get that. Crescendia has confirmed they will still be working on it but at this rate I would not be surprised if some banks get scrapped and there’s a full rebrand. Legally it is on VocaTone to issue the refund as they are the main company attached to the project. Even with all this information though, it’s been a shit fest and hard to follow. I don’t blame you for just waiting for a conclusion to be reached.
>>30851The $200k that was spent was spent before the crowdfund started so I believe you might have gotten the timeline confused. However they come up with the funds doesn’t really matter as long as backers get refunded. I understand there’s a lot of people saying they likely don’t have the money anymore but even then they are still liable. If by comparison another company can offer refunds, then they can come up with an actual plan. Either way, the current case being built will be against VocaTone if they don’t payout.
No.30873
>>30252The post that started it all
No.31075
Big update. The new version of Maghni might rebrand into a new synth, among other things.
https://maghni.ai/blog/q-and-a-jul-16-26 No.31080
>>31076Insert Sonika despair image here
No.31081
>>31076So they're just done with Oliver now? The boxes were a lie?
No.31086
>>31084Zero-G has the chance to do something really funny right now
No.31088
>>31084>>31081Basically postponed indefinitely. So not scrapped but might as well be. Makes refunds even more a necessity.
No.31089
>>31075Surprised a rebrand didn’t happen sooner. It’s for the best atp.
Sucks for Oliver but at least I still got a copy of him. Idek if I’ll want to use it after the rebrand yet… Hopefully someone decides to issue refunds soon.
No.31090
>>31089If you're the one who got the empty box with paper then i feel bad for you
No.31091
>>31086Mate, i think the world will end before Zero G decides to ever touch vocal synthesis again
No.31092
>>31076So tl;dr: Natalia and Austin no longer involved, Oliver's demo indeed used RVC, Crescendia and VocaTone are no longer involved and Maghni is rebranding
No.31093
>>31091It has gotten to a point where i believe that Vox Software on Maghni AI is more likely than Zero G
No.31097
>>31093as someone who's in vox, no one has ever reached out to us for a commercial vocal synth kek, i dont see it happening at all
No.31105
Everybody ITT talks about Sonika but I'm more interested in a new Miriam, especially considering her voice provider wants it to happen
No.31106
>>31092I hope they can eventually get their shit together. As cool as it is to get Ruby and two new characters on a new engine, Oliver is why people were interested in Maghni when it was announced.
No.31109
>>31099The dream died in 2018
No.31112
>>31090Well I did pay for a box
Paid for a digital copy of Aurum as well so uh yeah, I better be getting that refund.
No.31113
>>31111Indefinitely delayed as noted by
>>31084 No.31114
>>31113my bad I can't read
No.31115
>>31112With Maghni being more "indie" than other vocal synths I hope they eventually revert this decision and actually use CDs
No.31118
>>31115>Here's a little CD box>Inside of it should be a brand new voice>Own nothing, be happy*to the tune of Don't worry, Be happy*
No.31120
>>31118made me lol thanks anon
No.31130
>>31084Not surprised given that VocaTone is on the verge of folding. Maybe their plan is to buy the character rights first.
No.31134
>>31105Fun fact: if they ever make a new Miriam voicebank, she would break Sachiko's record for oldest VP
No.31140
>>31130Are you implying Oli will inevitably die with VT?
No.31142
>>31140No, the opposite. Crescendia might try to buy him and the others to prevent that from happening.
No.31145
>>31092Crescendia is still involved i believe
No.31149
>>31134I'm okay with this. More old lady loids please.
No.31150
>>31149old men are fine too. looking at you AL.
No.31167
>>31142They might not even get the chance to complete the transfer now. Can’t say much right now but VT just fucked themselves really bad.
No.31172
>>31168Not in my power sadly. I’m just hoping I get my money back after this.
No.31173
>>31167I'm injecting that last bit of hopium into my veins like its heroin
No.31206
>>31179requesting an oliver cover of this
No.31240
>>31167How do you know this
No.31243
>>31240She's been in contact with Natalia.
No.31248
>>31246You didn't know this?
No.31251
>>31243At the moment i don't trusr either of the former project leads tbh
No.31252
>>31246Think a majority of the people here are
No.31285
>>31246This has become a normal reaction in this regard
No.31286
>>31251Honestly I think it’s completely fair not to trust anyone on the team. Even I don’t completely trust everyone. I feel there’s a lot I still don’t know. Whether or not I need to know though is a different can of worms. I only feel any of us should know are the business sides of things.
No.31305
>>31133How do you even known who the unknown vocals are?
I can identify Ann and AL because of the hair but who are the rest?
No.31325
>>31305Tmk they’re all new characters outside of Ann and Al, though I think one of them might have been an existing Utau. Can’t remember the name tho. This is all just guess work. I believe the vocals from AltVox are still on record to be developed at some point. I’d need to check the q and a again.
No.31339
>>31252i always viewed vocaloid as a female centered fandom. Not counting Miku simps tho
No.31342
>>31339I think that in Japan it's more male centered but in the west its the opposite
No.31351
>>31325Yeah, they confirmed AltVox is still there. Zero clue about the ones with no name or company, but since we already know all of the surviving third parties, they're most likely gone.
No.31352
>>31342I don't think it's ever been particularly gender-specific tbh. Just depends on what corners you're in.
No.31353
>>31352This is what I was thinking. Every gender neutral fandom I've ever been in has had male-leaning and female-leaning etc pockets of their communities and Vocaloid seems no different from what I can tell.
No.31356
>>31351Who else aside from Vocatone
No.31370
>>31369I didn't even know Sawtowne had a company
No.31378
>>31370It only exists so he can keep the character rights and handle merch afaik
No.31383
>>31379Sonika is fucking dead again
No.31384
>>31383Can't kill something that never lived
No.31424
Who owns Maghni AI now that the og project leads are gone?
No.31426
>>31424Crescendia, which is more or less the same dev team working without them
No.31561
>>31369>Japanese fujo TTS companyWho
No.31679
>>10615Hope this happens because it would be hilarious
No.32004
>>32003It's a placeholder if i had to guess
No.32005
>>32004that or it was a screenshot taken before his voicebank was cancelled
No.32006
>>31678You know, it'd be interesting if we revived her like we're doing with Denne Hibiki
No.32047
>>32044The "Dashcon" of vocal synths
No.32051
>>32047hey at least dashcon happened
No.32081
>>32075I wish she'd release it but i know she legally can't
No.32085
>>32081sit down and wait patiently for maghni like the rest of us
No.32133
>>31678Who says we need Maghni? We can update her ourselves, with the CVVC reverse method and drawanons
No.32135
>>32133Challenge accepted
No.33082
>>33080I'm glad something good was able to come out of this depressing thread
No.33083
Been a while. What ended up happening to the project after all that shitshow with Vocatone and the two leads quitting?. Is it still being worked on?.
No.33095
bit unrelated but was it ever discovered who voiced oliver? people say its someone doing an oliver impression but where did they even get this information from?
No.33096
>>33095I don't think the identity of the voice provider was ever actually found but I remember the Maghni team confirming that the new Oliver wasn't voiced by a child years ago on Twitter if not Youtube.
No.33097
>>33095>>33096Early on, back in 2020, people found a comment from VocaTone that was only a few days old at the time, on a YouTube video of someone doing their impression of Oliver.
Unfortunately I’m struggling to find the video now, but they’re on occasion referred to as “OliVA”. Of course the original V3 VP is anonymous since they were an actual child but supposedly they did professional voiceover according to a dl VocaTone staff.
No.33099
>>33097Finally found something shortly after posting this lol, according to reddit they scrubbed their online presence in 2024. That explains why I couldn’t find the video in question.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Vocaloid/comments/1akcphl/poetry_monster_oliva_vocaloid_related_lost_media/ No.33100
>>33099oh wow that is very close
No.33103
>>33083Last update made it seems like they're still working on it but the pic they posted gives me the idea that its actually and old screenshot and not much progress has been made.
No.33104
>>33103Shit, my phone butchered this post
<seem*<an* No.33112
>>33103Truth is that no one knows lol
No.33166
>>33083Yes, and somehow Ruby survived too
No.33261
>>33166We'll see about that. There's no proof that its still in development. They said they'll continue working on it but can you really trust them after all this fiasco?.
No.33445
>>30840You should've replaced the text with a "fuck you" tbh
No.34066
Have we had any updates on the Maghni situation recently?
No.34070
>>34066Not much. There's lawyers involved now. Devs promised they wouldn't ghost us again, so we should be due for another update soon, but who knows.
No.34071
>>31561Oops I thought I replied to this
The guys who developed Genbu for SynthV have a whole series of male voicebanks
No.34081
>>34070>There's lawyers involved now.Probably 2-3 years too late
No.34093
Idk. Id have more hope if i didnt know the current team basically RVC fabricated the Oliver demos because the actual results were "unsatisfactory". Considering we dont have any actual examples of their capabilities, even if it does come out, will it be good enough to justify spending money on it as opposed to just getting the old voicebanks?
No.34125
>>34095Out of all the maghnis I think Ruby is the one i'm looking forward to the most. I've been wanting a new Ruby voicebank ever since i heard the Diffsinger.
No.34129
>>34125Considering Ruby's voice provider most likely lurks this site (especially after Sora mentioned it to her). In the off chance you see this, is there an actual reason why the DS hasn't been released? Copyright, licensing?
No.34131
>>34129I'm not her but it's most certainly the licensing and the fact that the DiffSinger was trained on data from the Vocaloid era, or at least that's what i've heard
No.34724
>>34129It's definitely the licensing. I assume she could get away with re-recording her and releasing her under a different name though. But at that point it wouldn't be Ruby, yk.
No.34732
>>34724It's a bit more complicated. like
>>34131 said, she was trained using the V4 data, making things tricky to begin with but the licensing is funny. To my understanding, Misha and Syo should have the full rights, but there are some other things behind the scenes that could complicate things, and that's before the mess everyone is already in with each other.
I think I mentioned before how Bil is still lurking around in another thread. Long story short, there's a chance everyone may have been scammed behind the scenes for character IP rights because someone thought reaching out to Bil would be a good idea despite Bil having no power to give them the rights.
I originally wasn't going to say it, but yeah. Even if they got Maghni off the ground, there was always a chance they could get sued because of Bil's surprise involvement.
No.34733
>>34732If y'all do want a bit more info on how I managed to get this, I'm happy to share as much as I can, but I think this explains the matter enough.
No.35898
So what happened to this
No.35905
>>13763I wonder if you'd have a better chance with VOCALOID6 than Maghni AI, considering the angle Yamaha is taking with creating voicebanks these days (often based on known characters, UTAU, VTubers, celebrities, etc.)
No.35913
>>35905If they were popular maybe, but even our most popular leeka is still obscure.